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Race Driver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 2,046 Joined: 21-August 05 Member No.: 1,899 Car: 97 Nissan Maxima SE ![]() |
Not super in-depth, but interesting nonetheless.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/10q3/..._graded-feature I don't think I would've given GM an "A", but you just gotta smile at the fact that Toyota/Lexus got the only "D". |
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![]() IT SLIDES! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 6,345 Joined: 5-February 07 From: Maine Member No.: 3,670 Car: Volkswagen R32 Mk V ![]() |
A- for GM is ridiculous.
Saab doesn't deserve a B+, they're FAR too boring. B- for Porsche is far too harsh considering they gave BMW a B+, but then again what do you expect from C&D? The BMW dick is permanently grafted into the C&D editor's mouth. Kia and Hyundai I agree with. Chrylser deserves more like a C, also, while Ford deserves a B+ or higher. |
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![]() Talkin' the talk since 2003 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 28,271 Joined: 27-August 03 From: Seattle, WA Member No.: 27 Car: 2004 VW GTI 1.8T ![]() |
Car and Driver love GM. I don't think an A- is entirely too crazy, though, they have a lot of nice looking cars coming out. I think the B+ for BMW is a little over the top though. Also, the A- for Ferrari...frankly, I'd give them about a C right now for design.
Porsche I would give a B+, Subaru I would give a C-...otherwise the list looks OK to me. |
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I would rate Ford way better than just a B. I would infact have given Ford and GM both A-.
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Everyone interprets everything differently, for evidence look no further than the posts above. To be honest an Italian or French magazine should done this because the US has never had an idea what design or style is. (with a few exceptions...)
BMW deserves a C+ at the max. Ferrari too. GM should get a C+ or B- just for making an effort, but they still look like they are made out of plastic. Volks and Audi love making every car look the same. They lost their balls after the Scirocco... |
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![]() Torque, it's what's for winners ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,949 Joined: 5-July 07 Member No.: 3,952 Car: Supercharged 4.7L on an engine stand ![]() |
Ford has the same grade as Chrysler, do they proof read these things?
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![]() Mmmm that feels nice. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 11,193 Joined: 26-August 03 From: Atlanta Member No.: 2 Car: 2018 Hyundai ES/1994 Mazda Miata ![]() |
I think that any car company that is still around because of a government financial bailout should be automatically given an F.
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Chrysler deserves less than a B. Sure everything they're doing now is a step-up and pretty decent, but hardly inspired. I suspect Ford's grade was dragged down by Lincoln, which I really can't argue with. GM doesn't deserve an A- either, should've been more like a B. Porsche needs a lower grade than a B-, and I'd probably give Mazda a B+ or an A-. Other than that it's all good.
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![]() LSX LOL ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 1,481 Joined: 12-March 09 From: Wayne, NJ Member No.: 4,781 Car: 2002 Ford Mustang GT/99 Subaru Outback ![]() |
Chrysler deserves less than a B. Sure everything they're doing now is a step-up and pretty decent, but hardly inspired. I suspect Ford's grade was dragged down by Lincoln, which I really can't argue with. GM doesn't deserve an A- either, should've been more like a B. Porsche needs a lower grade than a B-, and I'd probably give Mazda a B+ or an A-. Other than that it's all good. With the exception of the Panamera which is an "eh" designed car looks wise. I think Porsche deserves a B+ or higher. |
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![]() Talkin' the talk since 2003 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 28,271 Joined: 27-August 03 From: Seattle, WA Member No.: 27 Car: 2004 VW GTI 1.8T ![]() |
I'm gonna be one of those who defends the Panamera, I think it's a cool and unique looking vehicle. They do look rather large in person, but you have to remember it's basically a full-sized sedan/hatch.
I understand why people may not like it, but just keep in mind that dissent is hardly unanimous regarding that car. |
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Race Driver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 2,046 Joined: 21-August 05 Member No.: 1,899 Car: 97 Nissan Maxima SE ![]() |
I don't think Porsche deserves anything above a B. All their designs are essentially the same form-factor, just made into an SUV, sedan, coupe, etc. I have no problem with their design, just the fact that they have really only had 1 main design for years.
I think they could totally go a little more "radical" with the Panamera, especially since many dislike how it looks now. They could try and implement something new and original for a change. |
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![]() LSX LOL ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 1,481 Joined: 12-March 09 From: Wayne, NJ Member No.: 4,781 Car: 2002 Ford Mustang GT/99 Subaru Outback ![]() |
I'm gonna be one of those who defends the Panamera, I think it's a cool and unique looking vehicle. They do look rather large in person, but you have to remember it's basically a full-sized sedan/hatch. I understand why people may not like it, but just keep in mind that dissent is hardly unanimous regarding that car. Agreed, while I myself like the Panamera and find it to be one hell of a sedan in both "turbo" and "s" form. Many people do not agree with you and me on the looks factor. It is a cool car backed by one hell of a lineup. The new Cayenne looks so SEXAY as well. Show me another car anywhere on the market that looks like a Panamera, please. There isn't one. |
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Race Driver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 2,046 Joined: 21-August 05 Member No.: 1,899 Car: 97 Nissan Maxima SE ![]() |
Show me another car anywhere on the market that looks like a Panamera, please. Their whole lineup. The only thing thats different about the panamera is that it has 4 doors and a hunchback. Even the hunchback isn't that unique anymore because of the 911 speedster. I never said that porsche's designs looked like something from another car company, just that every model looks the same. |
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![]() Talkin' the talk since 2003 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 28,271 Joined: 27-August 03 From: Seattle, WA Member No.: 27 Car: 2004 VW GTI 1.8T ![]() |
Says the guy whose username is "DB9"...Aston Martin produces car after car that are near indistiguishable and people eat it up.
I don't think a Panamera looks much like a 911. One is a fastback 2+2 sports coupe and the other is a large luxury grand touring shooting brake. I can tell a Panamera instantly from any other car in the Porsche lineup, or any car in the world...I have to say I have to double or, sometimes, triple-take to tell a V8 Vantage from a DB9, or a DB7 from a DB9, in most cases. The hypocrisy is ridiculous. If you think it's ugly, fine, but give me a break on the "it looks like every other Porsche" bullcrap. It is a fundamentally different shape, size, and proportion; if you have trouble telling apart a Panamera from anything in their lineup, you're blind. |
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Says the guy whose username is "DB9"...Aston Martin produces car after car that are near indistiguishable and people eat it up. I don't think a Panamera looks much like a 911. One is a fastback 2+2 sports coupe and the other is a large luxury grand touring shooting brake. I can tell a Panamera instantly from any other car in the Porsche lineup, or any car in the world...I have to say I have to double or, sometimes, triple-take to tell a V8 Vantage from a DB9, or a DB7 from a DB9, in most cases. The hypocrisy is ridiculous. If you think it's ugly, fine, but give me a break on the "it looks like every other Porsche" bullcrap. It is a fundamentally different shape, size, and proportion; if you have trouble telling apart a Panamera from anything in their lineup, you're blind. Hahahaha, never thought I'd see the day. Clarkma, your fanboy is showing. I'm not a big fan of the Panamera (although I admit, I was in the earlier days), but in the right color, with the right rims it's very attractive...in the way that plus sized models are. |
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![]() Talkin' the talk since 2003 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 28,271 Joined: 27-August 03 From: Seattle, WA Member No.: 27 Car: 2004 VW GTI 1.8T ![]() |
Can anyone here honestly say they can't tell a Panamera from a 911 at a glance? That's my only question. Hate it if you want, but I'm tired of this "all porsches look the same" crap. They're no more guilty of that than most manufacturers, including their direct rivals.
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