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Bjorn
As I'm sure you know, the iPhone 5 (4S maybe) is set to be announced next week. Almost everyone is saying: A5 chip, 1 gb of ram, and full voice activation. No word on the design (I'm not thirilled with the design of the iPhone 4).

My brother is trying to convince me to upgrade my iPhone 3G to a Galaxy SII instead of getting an iPhone 5.

I worry that this will screw up all my calendar info, music, contacts and everything else like that.

Am I worrying about nothing, or will this be a pain? Will I like Android after four years of iOS (got an iPod touch in 2007). What about Android updates leaving some phones out? How durable are Samsung phones? I've beat the shit out of my iPhone 3G and aside from a shitty sleep button it still works.
dukenukem
As a mac whore you cannot stop yourself from buying another apple product. Just admit that fact and give steve-o your money.
Razor
As far as I'm concerned, I'd never buy either.

Android simply is not a great operating system, but it's almost worth it to escape Apple's gag and chains. Almost.

I'd say iPhone 5.
Bjorn
I've never had a problem with Apple like that . . . but maybe it's because I've never known "freedom."

Isn't it true though that many producers put their own skin on android devices, and you have to "root" them to have freedom, just like you have to "jailbreak" an iPhone"
dukenukem
QUOTE(Bjorn @ Sep 26 2011, 10:12 PM) *
I've never had a problem with Apple like that . . . but maybe it's because I've never known "freedom."

Isn't it true though that many producers put their own skin on android devices, and you have to "root" them to have freedom, just like you have to "jailbreak" an iPhone"

All except the Nexus aka Google phone.
Razor
QUOTE(Bjorn @ Sep 26 2011, 11:12 PM) *
I've never had a problem with Apple like that . . . but maybe it's because I've never known "freedom."

Isn't it true though that many producers put their own skin on android devices, and you have to "root" them to have freedom, just like you have to "jailbreak" an iPhone"



QUOTE(dukenukem @ Sep 27 2011, 12:06 AM) *
All except the Nexus aka Google phone.


The difference is that with Android, you generally don't get buttfucked for doing it. With Apple, you do. Official update? Kiss your modifications goodbye until they've figured out a way to re-jailbreak the phone. I could NOT deal with that.
OHirtenfelder
I wanted an iPhone, but got the Galaxy S (not II i might ad), and it's been a brilliant phone.

I did speak to a guy that had been on iPhones since the release of the first one, and he just recently switched to the Galaxy S II, and he has absolutely switched sides and now properly says fuck Apple. He says the freedom he has with an Android phone is soooooo much greater than anything he's ever had with the iPhone. He says he dint even realize how badly Apple has people by the balls until he stepped away from Apple.
Not my first hand experience, but this is what he told me.

Samsung FTMFW!
Bjorn
Well, if the iPhone being released next week is just an upgraded iPhone 4 I might give the Galaxy SII a try. I guess I can always sell it next year if a completely new iPhone 5 comes out.

Does the Galaxy (or any other Android phone) do visual voicemail?

What about managing music and podcasts? Can I still do it through iTunes?
green73ta
I'm kind of pumped that Sprint will probably get the iPhone 5. It will definitely make me dump my HTC Hero. That damn thing is so slow. My lovely wife got me a 32 gig Ipad 2 for my birthday/anniversary last week. I love that thing!
Asher
QUOTE(Bjorn @ Sep 27 2011, 02:21 AM) *
Well, if the iPhone being released next week is just an upgraded iPhone 4 I might give the Galaxy SII a try. I guess I can always sell it next year if a completely new iPhone 5 comes out.

Does the Galaxy (or any other Android phone) do visual voicemail?

What about managing music and podcasts? Can I still do it through iTunes?

You can do visual voicemail through Google Voice, which is a brilliant system. I think doubletwist will sync your itunes music to an Android phone, that was about a year ago though so things may have changed since then.
b0mb3r
unless new iPhone comes with a bigger screen, I see no reason to buy it.
Razor
QUOTE(b0mb3r @ Sep 28 2011, 09:28 AM) *
unless new iPhone comes with a bigger screen, I see no reason to buy it.


Viagra syndrome strikes again.
wilsontacy
I think apple is brand who's name is enough for to buy.



DB9
Personally, I would get the Samsung. Samsung doesn't have -great- build quality, but the Galaxy SII has gotten absolutely incredible reviews. I would probably never get an iPhone personally. It's too bland for my taste.
Bjorn
I'm leaning toward the iPhone 5 now (virtually same specs as the Galaxy SII, but it'll work with all of my current soft/hardware), but new reports are saying that the iPhone coming out on Tuesday will be an iPhone 4 with upgraded internals. That would make this decision much much harder, since I think the current iPhone is a failure in terms of function following form.
Razor
Reports as I seem them seem to say there'll be a 4S and a 5.
shandyman5
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Razor
You know what my opinion is lately? FUCK technology. Fuck it good. There's nothing good on the market now for someone like me.
shandyman5
QUOTE(Razor @ Oct 3 2011, 10:01 AM) *
You know what my opinion is lately? FUCK technology. Fuck it good. There's nothing good on the market now for someone like me.


Perhaps open your mind to trying things that aren't obsessed with being rooted, hacked, jammed, slammed, customized, programmed..... you get my point.
Razor
QUOTE(shandyman5 @ Oct 3 2011, 10:08 AM) *
Perhaps open your mind to trying things that aren't obsessed with being rooted, hacked, jammed, slammed, customized, programmed..... you get my point.


The day I become that boring is quite literally the day I will buy an iPhone.
shandyman5
QUOTE(Razor @ Oct 3 2011, 10:13 AM) *
The day I become that boring is quite literally the day I will buy an iPhone.



'atta boy, were making progress I see. Raspberry.gif thumbs_up.gif
Razor
QUOTE(shandyman5 @ Oct 3 2011, 10:14 AM) *
'atta boy, were making progress I see. Raspberry.gif thumbs_up.gif


Well I mean, I'm staying with the "dead*" webOS for now, but I got iPhone from the process of elimination.

Windows Phone 7 - Pathetic ecosystem, miserable homebrew community.
Blackberry anything - LOL.
Android anything - Actual, on-paper specs and UX/UI speed seem to differ by two orders of magnitude regardless of the device; also, ad-slathered everything.
Samsung Bada - Must be joking.
Nokia anything - Deader than webOS, see WP7 above.
iPhone - Fast, smooth UI, lots of premium, adless apps; more restricted than free speech under Kim Jong Il.





* By dead I mean more new users in the past two months than the past two years, more apps than ever, more homebrew activity than ever. I know where I'm staying for now.
OHirtenfelder
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The day I become that boring is quite literally the day I will buy an iPhone.

Or the day you buy an automatic car.....oh wait....my bad.
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shandyman5
QUOTE(OHirtenfelder @ Oct 3 2011, 12:30 PM) *
Or the day you buy an automatic car.....oh wait....my bad.
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Ha Ha look at my other post, I said were gonna break him down into buying a manual.
CasseTrop
I love my SGSII.

I'm an Android fanboy.
Razor
QUOTE(OHirtenfelder @ Oct 3 2011, 12:30 PM) *
Or the day you buy an automatic car.....oh wait....my bad.
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QUOTE(shandyman5 @ Oct 3 2011, 01:36 PM) *
Ha Ha look at my other post, I said were gonna break him down into buying a manual.


Defending my choice of transmission has become for me like defending my atheism against Christian fundamentalists. In other words, not even worth my time.
OHirtenfelder
^Please elaborate on that, Razor. Why is it not worth your time, when manual cars are clearly 100% better than their automatic counterparts?
Razor
QUOTE(OHirtenfelder @ Oct 4 2011, 02:56 AM) *
^Please elaborate on that, Razor. Why is it not worth your time, when manual cars are clearly 100% better than their automatic counterparts?


If I thought that, I would own one. Isn't that obvious? There's a time, place, and car for manual transmissions. For me, it certainly will never be in DD. That being said, I'd never own a slushbox either.
DB9
Do we really need to get into this argument... I think we've beaten this thing to death already...


That said. With the status of the smartphone market right now, I think android is the way to go. The SGSII seems to have corrected many things that have plagued android (battery life, I'm looking at you). The only thing I would be nervous about would be build quality (nothing a case can't fix, and to be honest, you would probably have to get one for the iphone too).
Razor
QUOTE(DB9 @ Oct 4 2011, 10:12 AM) *
That said. With the status of the smartphone market right now, I think android is the way to go. The SGSII seems to have corrected many things that have plagued android (battery life, I'm looking at you). The only thing I would be nervous about would be build quality (nothing a case can't fix, and to be honest, you would probably have to get one for the iphone too).


The biggest inherent flaw with Android is something only a complete rewrite of the backend of the OS is going to fix. The UI is just so... fucking... slow. And that's because there's no UI hardware acceleration. And in this day and age, that's pathetic.
DB9
QUOTE(Razor @ Oct 4 2011, 09:27 AM) *
The biggest inherent flaw with Android is something only a complete rewrite of the backend of the OS is going to fix. The UI is just so... fucking... slow. And that's because there's no UI hardware acceleration. And in this day and age, that's pathetic.


You're probably right, but with the processors that are coming out on these phones is that really a huge issue these days?

Also, apparently the new iPhone won't be running on 4G speeds...
Razor
QUOTE(DB9 @ Oct 4 2011, 11:43 AM) *
You're probably right, but with the processors that are coming out on these phones is that really a huge issue these days?

Also, apparently the new iPhone won't be running on 4G speeds...


Yes, it still matters. I have yet to see a phone/tablet fast enough to render the UI animations using software only. Try an iOS, WP7 or webOS phone. Then try Android. Tell me the lag doesn't piss you off. Hardware acceleration is the cure.

Fuck FauxG. The networks that DO have real 4G (not AT&T or Sprint) don't have it nearly widespread enough to be useful. In terms of mobile hardware features to include or not, I have always trusted Apple, because they tend to leave things out that are half baked, like fucking gimmicky 3D support and now 4G. When it's worthy, it'll be included.
shandyman5
There is only one true 4G. Verizon's.

QUOTE(OHirtenfelder @ Oct 4 2011, 02:56 AM) *
^Please elaborate on that, Razor. Why is it not worth your time, when manual cars are clearly 100% better than their automatic counterparts?


Start a new thread if we want to get this debate going again.
dukenukem
you people are 2 yrs too late to the party on trolling Razor for buying a automatic golf.


DB9
QUOTE(Razor @ Oct 4 2011, 10:22 AM) *
Yes, it still matters. I have yet to see a phone/tablet fast enough to render the UI animations using software only. Try an iOS, WP7 or webOS phone. Then try Android. Tell me the lag doesn't piss you off. Hardware acceleration is the cure.

Fuck FauxG. The networks that DO have real 4G (not AT&T or Sprint) don't have it nearly widespread enough to be useful. In terms of mobile hardware features to include or not, I have always trusted Apple, because they tend to leave things out that are half baked, like fucking gimmicky 3D support and now 4G. When it's worthy, it'll be included.


I think for the typical user, what it has now is more than fast enough for the typical user. Especially on the GalaxyS II.
shandyman5
The ultimate troll today was Apple. No iPhone 5 LMAO.


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Razor
QUOTE(Razor @ Oct 3 2011, 10:13 AM) *
The day I become that boring is quite literally the day I will buy an iPhone.


The day I become that boring is October 14th, but only for two weeks.
OHirtenfelder
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^Please elaborate on that, Razor. Why is it not worth your time, when manual cars are clearly 100% better than their automatic counterparts?


QUOTE
If I thought that, I would own one. Isn't that obvious? There's a time, place, and car for manual transmissions. For me, it certainly will never be in DD. That being said, I'd never own a slushbox either.


Yay. I got Razor to elaborate, when he said it wasn't worth his time. It's obviously something that does bother him. At least a little. That's all biggrin.gif
shandyman5
QUOTE(Razor @ Oct 6 2011, 11:41 PM) *
The day I become that boring is October 14th, but only for two weeks.


I find with using it you may like it......

QUOTE(OHirtenfelder @ Oct 7 2011, 03:21 AM) *
Yay. I got Razor to elaborate, when he said it wasn't worth his time. It's obviously something that does bother him. At least a little. That's all biggrin.gif


Well, one thing is for certain, if he gets a Genesis Coupe, he has to go one way or the other.
Razor
QUOTE(shandyman5 @ Oct 7 2011, 11:18 AM) *
I find with using it you may like it......


This plan has actually been cancelled. Oh well. :-/

QUOTE(shandyman5 @ Oct 7 2011, 11:18 AM) *
Well, one thing is for certain, if he gets a Genesis Coupe, he has to go one way or the other.


Well, the hidden "if" statement for my getting a Genesis includes "Hyundai Dual Clutch" (currently in the Veloster, I believe). I will not ever have a manual in my daily driver. This is a fact.

That being said, I had to stop myself from splurging on a $4000 Mercedes 190E 2.3-16 5-speed the other night.
shandyman5
QUOTE(Razor @ Oct 7 2011, 11:30 AM) *
This plan has actually been cancelled. Oh well. :-/



Well, the hidden "if" statement for my getting a Genesis includes "Hyundai Dual Clutch" (currently in the Veloster, I believe). I will not ever have a manual in my daily driver. This is a fact.

That being said, I had to stop myself from splurging on a $4000 Mercedes 190E 2.3-16 5-speed the other night.


I don't know if this has been asked, and I know we all bust your balls about the transmission choice you have so I will let that go, but I am wondering, do you know how to drive stick? Something like drive stick well enough to say do a 6-3 rev matching downshift, while getting off a highway...?
Razor
QUOTE(shandyman5 @ Oct 7 2011, 03:24 PM) *
I don't know if this has been asked, and I know we all bust your balls about the transmission choice you have so I will let that go, but I am wondering, do you know how to drive stick? Something like drive stick well enough to say do a 6-3 rev matching downshift, while getting off a highway...?


I do know how and have done so a handful of times, but for what you're talking about it would definitely take me a couple days of practice to eliminate my rust. I absolutely couldn't do it first time out at all cleanly on prompt, as it's been at least two years since I've driven stick. But yeah, I know how. I learned in a weekend about three and a half years ago in my uncle's E46 M3.
Bjorn
Placed my 4S pre-order today.

I forgot I have my phone on a business account with Rogers, so I just had to log into my account and press the "upgrade hardware" button.

I weighed the options, in the end it came down to the 4S being as fast as the Galaxy SII, but didn't require me losing all my iOS investments (apps) and having to learn a new OS.

Now to wait for the 14th.
dukenukem


QUOTE(Bjorn @ Oct 7 2011, 09:14 PM) *
Placed my 4S pre-order today.

I forgot I have my phone on a business account with Rogers, so I just had to log into my account and press the "upgrade hardware" button.

I weighed the options, in the end it came down to the 4S being as fast as the Galaxy SII, but didn't require me losing all my iOS investments (apps) and having to learn a new OS.

Now to wait for the 14th.


QUOTE(dukenukem @ Sep 26 2011, 06:29 PM) *
As a mac whore you cannot stop yourself from buying another apple product. Just admit that fact and give steve-o your money.


Called it!
Razor
QUOTE(Bjorn @ Oct 7 2011, 10:14 PM) *
it came down to the 4S being as fast as the Galaxy SII


This is simply not true. iOS is hardware accelerated and written in a powerful variant of C, a ridiculously fast language. Android has no hardware acceleration and has a UI written in Java, which is shit for doing graphics transformations (read: UI animations), especially on a mobile processor.
Bjorn
Hardware wise they are pretty much the same on paper.

iPhone has a smaller screen, but better resolution. Ram, storage, battery life (non LTE) processor speeds are all pretty much identical. This is the first I'm hearing about Android having UI problems.


I wish there was a way I could try out an Android phone for a while without having to shell out several hundreds of dollars, or sign a two year contract. I tried to find a Nexus or Nexus S after my 3G broke, but they were all still in the $200-300 range.
DB9
I thought most carriers did a thing where you could return your phone within 2-weeks to replace it? I have t-mobile, and I'm 90% sure I had that option when I upgraded.
green73ta
My sprint 32 Gig iPhone 4S will be here tomorrow.
DB9
QUOTE(Bjorn @ Oct 8 2011, 04:44 AM) *
Hardware wise they are pretty much the same on paper.

iPhone has a smaller screen, but better resolution. Ram, storage, battery life (non LTE) processor speeds are all pretty much identical. This is the first I'm hearing about Android having UI problems.


I wish there was a way I could try out an Android phone for a while without having to shell out several hundreds of dollars, or sign a two year contract. I tried to find a Nexus or Nexus S after my 3G broke, but they were all still in the $200-300 range.


Resolution doesn't always mean that the screen is better. I've heard that the screen on the Galaxy S II is one of the best, if not the best, on any smartphone. And the Galaxy S II has almost double the ram that the 4S has (or at least that's the rumor).

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DB9
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