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Easton
Family is looking to buy a TV for the new home.

No idea where TV's are at right now, and I want to do the usual proper research to maximize future-proofing/value for money/compatibility/lasting performance/ etc

Our budget is up to $10k AUD ($8k-ish USD) but that dosn't mean we should just buy the most expensive TV within our budget. I want the brilliant value-for-money TV in this approximate segment.

Random example:

http://www.warcom.com.au/shop/flypage/whats-new/10181

Panasonic, 65" - $7k AUD. Thats as far as my knowledge of TV goes...

What do I look out for? What are the brands to get? Whats the future-proof cable connections and tech bits that I need to look out for?

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Phix
Man, Easton, did you guys win the lottery or something? New house, new TV, Mercedes for the mom, a brand new Elise for yourself... god damn.
dukenukem
The only real suggestion when purchasing a TV is to go and watch it yourself. Each TV produces the picture in its own way and the one best for you is the one you like the most. Rest of the no. of inputs and outputs and all depend on what model you buy.
DB9
Along with the 1080p just make sure that the tv has a 120hz refresh rate. We got a philips 44' with that and it looks absolutely incredible. As far as which brands you should go for, I couldn't tell you.
fiber optic
Plasma is the least desirable technology IMO. LCD, LED, and DLP are the one's I'd consider. Mine is a 56" Toshiba DLP.
Phix
QUOTE(DB9 @ Aug 15 2009, 10:43 AM) *
Along with the 1080p just make sure that the tv has a 120hz refresh rate. We got a philips 44' with that and it looks absolutely incredible. As far as which brands you should go for, I couldn't tell you.

Bleh, fuck 120hz.

The 120hz is purely preference.
clarkma5
General rule of thumb that I've heard is that Plasmas make the most sense when the screen sizes get larger...into the high 40 inch range and up, I'd say. Below that, LCD us the thing to buy. I disagree with fiber about DLP being superior to plasma, you end up getting a lot more vignetting (they're getting better but they still can't match a flat panel). Of course, they're also a much cheaper way to get a big screen, so that's the tradeoff.
fiber optic
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Aug 15 2009, 04:45 PM) *
I disagree with fiber about DLP being superior to plasma


I have 3 problems with plasma.

1.) Lifetime.
Each pixel is essentially a small fluorescent bulb. When they're done they're done. I'm only worried about one bulb in my DLP which is some hot halogen thing. It's super easy to replace but I've never paid for one so maybe they're expensive.


2.) Power consumption. It's essentially like having a huge radiator in your living room. That and I've got so many other devices in my home theater and all that current draw adds up.
For comparison purposes I have a 56" Toshiba (model 56MX195) that according to the manual consumes an average of 265W. Compared with a 50" plasma (The Pioneer PDP-5020FD was the first one I found) consumes 436W. 60% more power for a smaller screen?

3.) Price
Smaller screen for more monies, no thanks.

Maybe the image is slightly better on a Plasma but that's not enough to redeem it for me. DLP being a MEMS device also makes it super cool.
Easton
Ok here is what I've found about Plasma at the moment.

Plasma reigns the large screen end of the market. LCD rules the lower to mid range.

50" seems to be the changing point. Below that size you go LCD, above that size you go Plasma, at that size you go either.

Ultra large sized LCD's (i.e 60 inch plus) are ridiculously expensive because the technology is not viable beyond a certain size. (i.e cost around 30k - 70k and usually specialist/concepts)

LCD has caught up with Plasma is many respects where Plasma was traditionally king.

Plasma has also caught up with LCD in many respects where LCD is traditionally king.


Plasma used to have a general life expectancy of 20,000 hours. But are now about 100,000 hours. Thats 11 years if you leave it on 24/7

Plasma drain less power than they used to

Plasma blacks and contrasts are richer, better viewing angle. Heavier and still consume more power.


Latest generation of Plasma's support something called 550hz or 600hz sub field motion. 120hz is old school now.

Internet TV, 4 HDMI ports, 600hz sub field motion and what not are some of the things that are standard now in a new good Plasma tv. So I need to look out for these things when shopping for a TV to ensure that it's the latest generation.

Generally, the newer the TV, the better value for money you get. Since run out models arn't officially dropped in retail price and have inferior technology.

Panasonic, Samsung, Pioneer and LG control this segment of the market.

Mum dosn't want to look at Samsung or LG. No matter what the product or price is. That leaves me with just Panasonic and Pioneer.

The latest generation 65" Panasonic comes out in October. The latest gen Pioneer 60" is already sold out!
Easton
Best latest gen Plasma at the moment:

http://www.cnet.com.au/pioneer-pdp-lx609a-339293603.htm



Good: Blacker-than-black blacks Excellent picture quality Five year warranty Network capable
Bad: Twice as expensive as the 50-inch Only one component input 'Optimum' mode not always the best
Specs: Plasma 60 inch 1920 x 1080 pixels 3 See more specifications
RRP: AU$12,499.00



You know it's good quality shit when they give you 5 years warranty!
clarkma5
No samsung or LG? Hate the koreans?
Easton
Mum's call - she dosn't want a TV with Samsung or LG labelled on it

I went to the electronics superstore to check out some tv's in person today.

Man, the 60" difference is really significant. a 50 something plasma is like a bigger version of a 42", but the 60" is like a psychological leap in size. It feels more like a wall.

Unfortunately, a lot of models don't even ever make it to Australia. And the ones that do come here are so ridiculously expensive and tax'ed up.

Pioneer don't do plasma's no more so we're not left with a lot of options.
moe
QUOTE(Easton @ Aug 16 2009, 12:52 PM) *
Mum's call - she dosn't want a TV with Samsung or LG labelled on it


Wow, that's some old school badge snobbery. My dad used to be the same way...wouldn't touch anything Korean, but now LG and Samsung are the main brands we're considering (similar buying situation as yours). Hell, my dad has even put his prejudices aside for Hyundai. He's looking for a new car, and he likes both the Azera and the Genesis.
Easton
Yeah - welcome to the asian family biggrin.gif

Although even the salesman at the store today said the amount of warranty returns they get on LG's and Samsung's are a lot worse than the Pioneer/Panasonic's.

He ranked them Pioneer > Panasonic > LG > Samsung

There's a reason why the Pioneer comes with 5 years warranty
dukenukem
Have you considered the Sony Bravia line? The new XBR5 or whatever is pretty darn awesome and I dont even like sony products. I personally bought the 46KDLW3000 since it had the most realistic picture quality of comparable Samsung and LG TVs.
fiber optic
QUOTE(Easton @ Aug 16 2009, 10:35 AM) *
Although even the salesman at the store today said the amount of warranty returns they get on LG's and Samsung's are a lot worse than the Pioneer/Panasonic's.

He ranked them Pioneer > Panasonic > LG > Samsung


I would be hesitant to believe anything the salesguy says. Stick to your own research for that information. The salesguy's just there to negotiate the price as far as you're concerned, not any real factual data.
caster
We have a 46" XBR5 and a 52" XBR5 by Sony and they're both amazing. I checked out some other Sharps at the time of shopping, but when I saw the XBR5 it really blew me away. Amazing TV! Just a little tip, I read hundreds of reviews and with all the different areas that people assess with T.V.'s its so hard to come to a conclusion, just walk into a store and see what you like the most.
clarkma5
I thought Samsung produced the best screens, though that may just be in LCDs...

My grandfather has a 40" Sony Bravia (LCD) and it's very nice. The Bravias are consistently among the most expensive TVs out there but the quality is there, and I normally don't care for Sony either.
DB9
QUOTE(Phix @ Aug 15 2009, 04:00 PM) *
Bleh, fuck 120hz.

The 120hz is purely preference.


Meh. I guess. But I can see the difference. And its not like its an expensive upgrade.
Easton
Yea Sony is our favourite brand and i've heard nothing but amazing things about XBR's. But they don't go to the sizes we want.

We think we'll have to get something from Panasonic. But their 60"+ line up is out dated, their revised versions should be out by late this year.
Altostratus
QUOTE(Easton @ Aug 16 2009, 01:52 AM) *
Mum's call - she dosn't want a TV with Samsung or LG labelled on it


epic azn fail.
Easton
We secured our TV today biggrin.gif

They had one Pioneer 60" Kuro LXP609 left.

We also grabbed a Pioneer blu ray player, which had to be ordered. HDMI cable, surge protector and of course I asked if I could grab a blu ray movie of our own choosing.

I picked Ironman smile.gif
DB9
I hear great things about the Kuro's. Have fun.
Altostratus
badass choice. too bad that they discontinued the Kuro and that Pioneer doesnt make TV's anymore. sad.gif
dukenukem
QUOTE(Easton @ Aug 22 2009, 11:48 PM) *
We secured our TV today biggrin.gif

They had one Pioneer 60" Kuro LXP609 left.

We also grabbed a Pioneer blu ray player, which had to be ordered. HDMI cable, surge protector and of course I asked if I could grab a blu ray movie of our own choosing.

I picked Ironman smile.gif

Congratulations on the TV!

Hope you didnt fuck yourself in the ass and order monster cable stuff.
moe
QUOTE(Altostratus @ Aug 23 2009, 08:59 PM) *
badass choice. too bad that they discontinued the Kuro and that Pioneer doesnt make TV's anymore. sad.gif


I actually didn't know that. I'm going to have to hit up the Pioneer store and see if they have any in stock in the country, otherwise we'll just have to get something else.
fiber optic
QUOTE(Easton @ Aug 22 2009, 11:48 PM) *
I picked Ironman smile.gif


That was the first BlueRay I bought. It's incredible. You'll definitely love it.
Altostratus
buying a blueray player is stupid. should have got a PS3.
Phix
BluRay.
DB9
QUOTE(Altostratus @ Aug 23 2009, 10:17 PM) *
buying a blueray player is stupid. should have got a PS3.


The cloud has a point, especially since they have that new 299 slimmer version.
Easton
Yea - a PS3 is updatable, plays games, and the new slim version comes out next month. Plus you can buy a remote for it so you don't have to use the controller.

But mum specifically said no PS3, because it plays games - which means me and my bro will be hogging it all the time.

If we want to play games we have to buy our own PS3 for our own tele's at a future date.

I know it sounds weird, not buying something simply because it's got an extra feature.

I didn't mind - it's her money.

Delivery is this afternoon!!

Blu Ray player arrives next week - but i'll get my friend to come over with his PS3 and we'll watch Ironman on it straight away biggrin.gif
Easton
Original TV


Unpacking


New TV


Next month it'll be time to shop for some sound systems to go with the tele.
fiber optic
QUOTE(Easton @ Aug 24 2009, 11:16 PM) *
Plus you can buy a remote for it so you don't have to use the controller.


The controller is wireless and not very hard to use as a remote.
Bjorn
^I don't know if this is a problem with the PS3, but I get annoyed by my 360 turning off the controller after a few minutes when im using it as a remote, and having to reboot the controller every time I want to pause the movie.
DB9
QUOTE(Bjorn @ Aug 25 2009, 12:52 PM) *
^I don't know if this is a problem with the PS3, but I get annoyed by my 360 turning off the controller after a few minutes when im using it as a remote, and having to reboot the controller every time I want to pause the movie.


Yea that happens to me too. But I just deal with it, because Microsoft seems to overprice all the accessories for the 360 (coughWirelessRoutercough).
fiber optic
QUOTE(Bjorn @ Aug 25 2009, 12:52 PM) *
^I don't know if this is a problem with the PS3, but I get annoyed by my 360 turning off the controller after a few minutes when im using it as a remote, and having to reboot the controller every time I want to pause the movie.


I don't remember if it turns off the controller or not. I think it does after so many minutes of inactivity (like watching a film). It's easy enough to turn back on that I never paid it any attention. And I've only got 3 blue ray movies so it's not like it gets a ton of use.
suzaneparker
Go and check out at electronic store near by you and find out which model suits your needs best.
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