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clarkma5
The VW Passat CC (just called the VW CC in North America. CC stands for "Comfort Coupe") is a 4-door "coupe"-style vehicle like the Mercedes-Benz CLS that offers a more sporty and luxurious take on the Passat theme while using most of its mechanicals. The car is lower, longer, wider, and on a longer wheelbase than the normal sedan/wagon and uses all-new sheet metal.

European models get a variety of TFSI and TDI motors along with a top-dog 3.6 liter VR6 with 300 HP and 4motion all-wheel drive connected to a 6-speed DSG box (which is also available on most of the rest of the range). The US model gets the base 2.0 liter turbo from the standard car (200 HP, 207 ft.-lbs. of torque) with either a 6-speed manual or a 6-speed tiptronic while the VR6 produces 280 HP and 265 ft.-lbs. of torque, again connecting to 4motion and with a 6-speed tiptronic box (DSG in the Gold Coast Edition). The interior pulls heavily from the standard Passat but gets available two-tone leather on the sport seats and the rear goes from a 3-passenger bench to a sportier 2-person affair. Add on some chrome bits, a unique steering wheel, and different iPod connectivity and you've got a CC.

Mainly, though, it's just pretty. Prices should start "under $27k" for the 2.0T, which is $3,000 more than the equivalent sedan. Not bad for the improvement in styling and sportiness you get.





















This is the Gold Coast Edition:




Notice the frameless windows:
moe
My nipples get hard every time I see this car, but I still have them where they should be. I think it's very cool for offering a piece of the CLS's glamour, at a much lower cost.
Phix
I'm voting uncool.

Volkswagen... just doesn't belong in a luxury sort of market, IMO. I just see them more as 'The People's Car'. Affordable hatchbacks (Golf, Rabbit) and 4-doors (Jetta). I've never liked the Passat. Plus, the occansional crazy car compliments them nicely (R32).

Although, this car IS pretty attractive.
moe
^ But that's the thing. While it is pricey for a mid-size, it's more like a cut-price CLS. And it brings the style of a car that would've been otherwise out-of-reach, within the grasp of the people. So I think it fits into the range rather nicely.
infinity
QUOTE(Phix @ Aug 22 2008, 02:12 AM) *
I'm voting uncool.

Volkswagen... just doesn't belong in a luxury sort of market, IMO. I just see them more as 'The People's Car'. Affordable hatchbacks (Golf, Rabbit) and 4-doors (Jetta). I've never liked the Passat. Plus, the occansional crazy car compliments them nicely (R32).

Although, this car IS pretty attractive.
WTF? Is this the same Hyundai-humping Phix that's been around recently?
Mitlov
Uncool.

Don't get me wrong. I really like this car. If I wanted to spend $27,000 on a FWD midsize sedan, it would be near the top of the list, possibly at the top. But it does NOTHING to my nipples.

It's biggest problem is that it feels to me like a budget imitation of something else (namely, the CLS), and while budget imitations may be really smart purchases, they're not "cool" IMO.

Besides that, nothing really lights my fire about this car. The exterior styling, while nice, is also excessively busy and marred by excessively-large overhangs. The interior is a Passat interior. And while the Passat has an incredibly nice interior, it's not cool IMO to say "here's a family-sedan-based sporty sedan with the exact same interior as the family sedan it's based upon." And no, two-tone leather does not adequately distinguish it from the Passat. And then there's how it's equipped: you can't get the 2.0T with AWD and you can't get the V6 AWD with a manual transmission.

But really, it's the fact that it feels like a CLS knock-off (albeit a very nice car) that makes it uncool to me. It's just too damn derivative to be cool.

QUOTE(infinity935 @ Aug 22 2008, 10:24 AM) *
WTF? Is this the same Hyundai-humping Phix that's been around recently?


Too true laugh.gif
clarkma5
In my mind VW is about value, not being cheap. They offer sport-luxury driving dynamics and interiors at a price that slots them between the sport luxury cars and the white goods cars. And the Passat CC is about that.

I'd be stoned if I called this frozen (I think the Gold Coast is frozen for being so sex) but I'm still calling it cool. It may be a CLS derivative, but IMO it looks better than the CLS and I like the fact that someone made a car with exotic looks that is attainable...it's less snobby that way, just unique. Also did I mention it looks really great?
Phix
QUOTE(infinity935 @ Aug 22 2008, 01:24 PM) *
WTF? Is this the same Hyundai-humping Phix that's been around recently?

It's the cool wall. It doesn't have to make sense.
dukenukem
This car is about as cool as getting a face full of man boobs.
Synesthesia
Haha it's called the "Comfort Coupe"...nice options for the ratings biggrin.gif
Zenix13
great looking car but not really cool. its okay.
Bjorn
Ya, this doesn't do much for my nipples.

I think the idea of a coupeish sedan is a pretty OK one, since I like sport sedans quite a bit, but the execution looks fussy, and I have a very set and very unfair image in my head of the typical Passat driver, which isn't very flattering.

If I wanted a sporty Passat it would be R36 all the way.
nismo
That car is fucking sexy.
clarkma5
QUOTE(Bjorn @ Aug 25 2008, 09:30 AM) *
If I wanted a sporty Passat it would be R36 all the way.


The Passat CC is a superior sports platform to the sedan/wagon due to its dimensions (lower, wider) and the 3.6 liter CC is identical in mechanical spec to the North American R36.
b0mb3r
considering that it is priced around the accord coupe and altima coupe... Hands down its much cooler then the cars in the segment. Another thing that makes this car cool is the aftermarket smile.gif. APR is already testing the stage 1 for the new 2.0T motor DS_Naughty2.gif .
Tifun
QUOTE(b0mb3r @ Aug 29 2008, 05:42 AM) *
considering that it is priced around the accord coupe and altima coupe... Hands down its much cooler then the cars in the segment. Another thing that makes this car cool is the aftermarket smile.gif. APR is already testing the stage 3 for the new 2.0T motor DS_Naughty2.gif .


fixed that for ya Raspberry.gif

They've already got the stg 3 on the car from my understandings. I believe it was at SEMA this year as well. I think it's a great car. I compare it to itslef, meaning the regular Passat. side-by-side...it really shows off the lines. My favorite spot is the rear. I love how the trunk has the flare which looks like a spoiler.
maxima302
I recently rode in a new Passat and really loved it...except for the 2.0T engine, which completely ruined the car for me. It was jerky, slow, noisy, and an overall unpleasing engine. For the Passat, its really a horrible engine, especially when you consider the buttery smooth Japanese 4-cyl power plants in Camrys and Accords.

I'd take the same money and buy a used über sexy CLS500 or 55...
Razor
QUOTE(maxima302 @ Nov 16 2008, 07:15 AM) *
I'd take the same money and buy a used über sexy CLS500 or 55...


Because they cost the same. rolleyes.gif
clarkma5
QUOTE(maxima302 @ Nov 16 2008, 04:15 AM) *
I recently rode in a new Passat and really loved it...except for the 2.0T engine, which completely ruined the car for me. It was jerky, slow, noisy, and an overall unpleasing engine. For the Passat, its really a horrible engine, especially when you consider the buttery smooth Japanese 4-cyl power plants in Camrys and Accords.



The list of awards that the 2.0T has earned disagrees with you.

International 1.8 to 2.0 liter engine of the year 2008: http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/winners_08/18_2.html
International 1.8 to 2.0 liter engine of the year 2007: http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/previous04.html
International 1.8 to 2.0 liter engine of the year 2006: http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/previous04.html
International 1.8 to 2.0 liter engine of the year 2005: http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/previous04.html
Ward's 10 best engines list from 2006 to 2008: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward's_10_Best_Engines (also note that the predecessor 1.8T is on the list in 1998, 2002, and 2003).

Not to mention the awards for cars that use the 2.0T:
Car & Driver 10 best list: 2008 VW GTI: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_li...gti_10best_cars
Car & Driver 10 best list: 2007 VW GTI: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_li...gti_10best_cars
Car & Driver 10 best list: 2006 Audi A3 2.0T: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_li..._0t_10best_cars

Edmunds 2008 Consumer most wanted for the Audi TT Coupe and Roadster and VW Passat Wagon: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/consumersto...2008/index.html

Edmunds 2007 Consumer most wanted for the Audi A3 and Audi A4 Avant: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/consumersmo...2007/index.html

Edmunds 2006 Consumer most wanted for the Audi A3: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/consumersmo...2006/index.html

Edmunds 2007 Editors most wanted for the Audi A4 Avant: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/mostwanted/2007/index.html

Edmunds 2006 Editors most wanted for the Audi A4 Avant: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/mostwanted/2006/index.html

Motortrend's 2006 Car Of The Year Finalist - Audi A3: http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/11...i_a3/index.html

And that's after searching for about fifteen minutes...I know there are tons of awards lurking out there for this engine, its predecessor (the 1.8T) and all the cars that both of these engines get implemented in.
moe
Uh overkill?
clarkma5
QUOTE(moethepaki @ Nov 16 2008, 01:52 PM) *
Uh overkill?


Just making a point.
maxima302
QUOTE(Razor @ Nov 16 2008, 10:26 AM) *
Because they cost the same. rolleyes.gif


You can pick up a used 06 CLS500 for around $35k. The CC Sport base starts at $26,790 and the "Luxury" starts at $31,990. So if you take the Luxury, and you equip it like a fairly basic CLS (Leather, Nav, Premium Sound) your at $36,255... and you only get half as many cylinders and 100 less hp. Thats a lot of money to pay for a FWD 4-cylinder. Of course, the overall ownership (per year, and throughout the car's life) is going to be substantially higher on the Mercedes (insurance, fuel, repairs!).

QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Nov 16 2008, 01:13 PM) *
The list of awards that the 2.0T has earned disagrees with you.

International 1.8 to 2.0 liter engine of the year 2008: http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/winners_08/18_2.html
International 1.8 to 2.0 liter engine of the year 2007: http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/previous04.html
International 1.8 to 2.0 liter engine of the year 2006: http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/previous04.html
International 1.8 to 2.0 liter engine of the year 2005: http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/previous04.html
Ward's 10 best engines list from 2006 to 2008: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward's_10_Best_Engines (also note that the predecessor 1.8T is on the list in 1998, 2002, and 2003).

Not to mention the awards for cars that use the 2.0T:
Car & Driver 10 best list: 2008 VW GTI: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_li...gti_10best_cars
Car & Driver 10 best list: 2007 VW GTI: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_li...gti_10best_cars
Car & Driver 10 best list: 2006 Audi A3 2.0T: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_li..._0t_10best_cars

Edmunds 2008 Consumer most wanted for the Audi TT Coupe and Roadster and VW Passat Wagon: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/consumersto...2008/index.html

Edmunds 2007 Consumer most wanted for the Audi A3 and Audi A4 Avant: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/consumersmo...2007/index.html

Edmunds 2006 Consumer most wanted for the Audi A3: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/consumersmo...2006/index.html

Edmunds 2007 Editors most wanted for the Audi A4 Avant: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/mostwanted/2007/index.html

Edmunds 2006 Editors most wanted for the Audi A4 Avant: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/mostwanted/2006/index.html

Motortrend's 2006 Car Of The Year Finalist - Audi A3: http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/11...i_a3/index.html

And that's after searching for about fifteen minutes...I know there are tons of awards lurking out there for this engine, its predecessor (the 1.8T) and all the cars that both of these engines get implemented in.


Oh GOD... well if the media likes it, I suppose I just love it! You are so right Clarkma5, thank you for correcting my opinions of your beloved VW! What ever would we have done around here without your arrogance? I hope you aren't such a smartass to you mother.
clarkma5
...wasn't trying to be a smartass? You have to admit it's pretty rare for something in the automotive world to receive as much praise as the 2.0T has. You're still entitled to your opinion but I still have a completely valid counterpoint. No need to be an asshole about it...
Bjorn
I saw one in the flesh yesterday...looks very awkward, and more importantly, very un-VW-ish IMO.

It's like VW is being pulled in two distinct directions, one toward the Sirocco (sp?) and the other toward the Eos.

This screams Eos sedan to me.
Mitlov
QUOTE(maxima302 @ Nov 17 2008, 04:37 AM) *
You can pick up a used 06 CLS500 for around $35k. The CC Sport base starts at $26,790 and the "Luxury" starts at $31,990. So if you take the Luxury, and you equip it like a fairly basic CLS (Leather, Nav, Premium Sound) your at $36,255... and you only get half as many cylinders and 100 less hp. Thats a lot of money to pay for a FWD 4-cylinder. Of course, the overall ownership (per year, and throughout the car's life) is going to be substantially higher on the Mercedes (insurance, fuel, repairs!).


You always get a whole lot more shopping used than shopping new. Has nothing to do with the CC specifically. Heck, you can get a three-year-old G35 for about the price of a Civic Si...does that mean the Civic Si is overpriced?
Tifun
Just want to point out that the 2.0 isn't the only engine option if memory serves correct. I believe you can get it with the 3.2 .:R32 engine which if the 2.0t is jerky then you may like the larger displacement. At any rate I am curious what the poster said about the jerkiness compares this to....meaning the CLS??????? I hope not. It's not a fair comparison by any means. K, that's enough rambling. I just normally equate jerkiness to bad driving.
redls1bird
The car is great to ride in and drive. It has a great premium feel as well. I love the details in the interior, especially the way the seats are covered. I have one problem with it though. The tail-lights are hideous.
maxima302
QUOTE(Mitlov @ Nov 17 2008, 06:36 PM) *
You always get a whole lot more shopping used than shopping new. Has nothing to do with the CC specifically. Heck, you can get a three-year-old G35 for about the price of a Civic Si...does that mean the Civic Si is overpriced?


Obviously, which is why I stated in my original post that I would take the same amount of money and spend it on a used CLS.


QUOTE(Tifun @ Nov 26 2008, 02:55 PM) *
Just want to point out that the 2.0 isn't the only engine option if memory serves correct. I believe you can get it with the 3.2 .:R32 engine which if the 2.0t is jerky then you may like the larger displacement. At any rate I am curious what the poster said about the jerkiness compares this to....meaning the CLS??????? I hope not. It's not a fair comparison by any means. K, that's enough rambling. I just normally equate jerkiness to bad driving.


Yes you can get the 3.2 VR6, but that starts at a rather hefty $38,000 USD. I'm not saying the CC is a bad car per say, but I do think VW has priced this car out of the market (although its segment is fairly undefined). In my opinion, the 2.0T is fine for the Golf/Jetta, but its too unrefined for the CC. It sounds very 4-cylinder-ish, and turbo-4s just aren't as smooth as a N/A 6-cylinder. I actually rode in another Passat with the VR6 and that engine is much much better, very smooth and well fitted for the top-of-the-range Passat.

The interior of the CC is very nice, however I don't like the gearshift design. They should have changed that part out with something a little nicer looking for that model specifically.
Tifun
QUOTE(maxima302 @ Dec 5 2008, 01:52 AM) *
Obviously, which is why I stated in my original post that I would take the same amount of money and spend it on a used CLS.
Yes you can get the 3.2 VR6, but that starts at a rather hefty $38,000 USD. I'm not saying the CC is a bad car per say, but I do think VW has priced this car out of the market (although its segment is fairly undefined). In my opinion, the 2.0T is fine for the Golf/Jetta, but its too unrefined for the CC. It sounds very 4-cylinder-ish, and turbo-4s just aren't as smooth as a N/A 6-cylinder. I actually rode in another Passat with the VR6 and that engine is much much better, very smooth and well fitted for the top-of-the-range Passat.


I can understand your view. I however see the economic benefit from it as well. Maybe I am biased, but I think the 2.0t is a very well round smooth and decently powered engine that matches well for form and general comfort compared to lets say the Altima 4-banger which is in the same playing field. I think the CC is an excellent bargain. Also The Passat you rode/drove most likely was the V6 not the VR6. I think the B4 was the only one up until the CC to get the VR6.
clarkma5
No Tifun, all B6 passats get the VR6 (all 3.6 liters in the US, I think they offer the 3.2 and 3.6 in europe).
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