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Finally, we have a peak at the first completely new model Lotus has released since the Elise debuted 13 years ago.

Known only as Project Eagle, this new mid-engined 2+2 is based off an entirely new and larger chassis than the Elise/Exige and is powered by a 280 hp 3.5-liter V6 engine. The engine is once again sourced from Toyota and can be found in the Camry. Judging from output in that car, expect torque to be close to 248 ft-lbs.


According to the company’s press release, it is considerably faster around the Nürburging than the Elise and more stable at speed than the Exige.

Mike Kimberley, CEO of Group Lotus plc, had this to say about the new model: “Project Eagle is the biggest milestone Lotus has achieved since the Elise was born 13 years ago. We are currently working at broadening the appeal of the Lotus brand through an aggressive 5-year model plan of which this car represents the first exciting step.”

Project Eagle’s new chassis is larger than the Elise/Exige and when combined with the larger engine and a sub five second 0-60 mph time, it is apparent that Lotus has finally decided to attack the Porsche Carrera.

As for the styling, we have to say we’re a little disappointed that this entirely new vehicle still looks a lot like the Elise/Exige but we’ll save our judgment for after the street and track test – an area where Lotus never falters.

The Project Eagle will officially be unveiled on July 22 at the Biritish Motor Show.

http://www.modifiedle.com/events/archives/event_078.html
clarkma5
Looks quite cool. If the article hadn't mentioned the Elise/Exige resemblance, I honestly wouldn't've even begun to see it.

As for "the area where Lotus never falters"...well, all I have to say about that is "remember the Europa". Still, Lotus usually gets it right.
Dr. Strangelove
First of all, the Europa was badass.

Second of all, 2,300 lbs for a four seater. Suck it everyone who said you can't have a rear drive car for under 3,000.
midnightdorifto
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Jul 15 2008, 06:40 PM) *
Looks quite cool. If the article hadn't mentioned the Elise/Exige resemblance, I honestly wouldn't've even begun to see it.

As for "the area where Lotus never falters"...well, all I have to say about that is "remember the Europa". Still, Lotus usually gets it right.

"Broadening the appeal of the brand" constitutes a very dangerous phrase for a niche manufacturer. I'm eager to see what they'll come up with.
Synesthesia
Exciting! Can't wait to see the production version. I love the hidden A pillars and the point where the rear windshield and passenger windows touch...cool design.
clarkma5
QUOTE(Dr. Strangelove @ Jul 15 2008, 08:49 PM) *
First of all, the Europa was badass.


Alright, well, the Europa probably was a good drive, however, it wasn't as good as an Elise or Exige and it didn't have any appreciable increase in comfort either and it cost more for the privelege. The turbo motor wasn't dynamically right for the vehicle, either.
4wheelfreak
Do you think that the Eagle will stay at 2,300 lbs in production trim, passing US crash/emissions standards? If so, that is FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!! I LOVE LOTUS!!!!!!
tune
It looks like a cross between the Elise and the Europa. Also the Europa was a completely new model, no?
Dr. Strangelove
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Jul 15 2008, 08:58 PM) *
Alright, well, the Europa probably was a good drive, however, it wasn't as good as an Elise or Exige and it didn't have any appreciable increase in comfort either and it cost more for the privelege. The turbo motor wasn't dynamically right for the vehicle, either.


Oh, for some reason I thought you were talking about this:


Uwe
I do think Lotus is taking the wrong route. Of course a weight of 2300 lbs (= 1050 kg) is not much for today's cars. But it is too much for Lotus.

As a producer of light-weight cars like the first Elise (~750 kg) they only had the Seven and its derivates as competition and the Seven is very different from the Elise so you could say the Elise was quite unique. And so was the customer circle.

But now the Elise and the Exige themselves are heading towards 1000 kg and then we have this new Eagle project. Lotus are going more and more into the area where Noble, TVR and (eventually) Porsche are situated and because of that the competition will get stiffer and stiffer. As I said: completely wrong in my book.

Lotus should concentrate on making a two-seater (closed or Targa) as a successor to the Elise/Exige and try to reduce the weight to 700 kg. So no A/C, no electric windows, no radio, no frills whatsoever. Only a windscreen and a roof for those who don't want to drive with a helmet all the time like in the 2-11. They should make tracktools - that's what Lotus is known for and where they have a reputation. Yet.
Mitlov
QUOTE(Dr. Strangelove @ Jul 15 2008, 08:49 PM) *
First of all, the Europa was badass.

Second of all, 2,300 lbs for a four seater. Suck it everyone who said you can't have a rear drive car for under 3,000.


(1) How much is it going to cost?
(2) Are those rear seats adult-friendly, or only appropriate for four-year-olds and the headless horseman?

You can't compare this to a situation like the new Nissan Silvia, where a low price was part of the package, or a sport sedan, where you've got four real seats for four real people.
Diesel








http://jalopnik.com/398638/the-2010-lotus-...ctures-analysis

Powertrain: As we expected, it's a 280 HP 3.5-liter Toyota-sourced V6. However, Lotus has breathed on the electronic engine controls to make it more suitable for its new home powering a sportscar that weighs around 3,000 lb (less than 1400kg). The Eagle also uses a Toyota 6-speed manual transmission, but features a Lotus-engineered clutch and gearchange. All this should give it a top speed somewhere between 165 and 170 MPH, a 0-to-60 time somewhere in the low five second range and track ability that will more than likely eclipse rivals like the 2010 Porsche Cayman S.

There's even talk of a future high performance model and hints that it'll achieve that increased performance using a supercharger.

Frame: Holding the car together is a an Elise-like bonded and riveted aluminum chassis that in addition to being exceptionally light, is also exceptionally strong, allegedly lending the Eagle crash test performance that far exceeds expectations for a vehicle of this size. Unlike the Elise, the Eagle uses a 3-part chassis; the rear supports the engine and double wishbone suspension, while the front part bolts on and off for relatively easy replacement after a crash. It holds the double wishbone front suspension and is designed to deform in an impact.

Dimensions: The Eagle's overall length is just 171 inches, 3 inches shorter than a Porsche 911. Compared to the Elise, that gives the driver's seat an additional 3 inches of travel and leaves room in the rear for passengers up to 5-feet tall. A 2-seat model will be available that swaps out those rear seats for more luggage space. Lotus claims there's room in the "boot" for a set of golf clubs.

Name: The first Eagle should reach its buyer in May 2009, but more than likely won't be called an Eagle at all. Right now Lotus calls this the "Eagle Project," but we're not expecting that name to stick. Rather, we're told it will be some other 'E' name that won't be decided until the very last minute. We have no idea why they can't just crack open the dictionary now, it's not like there's any surprises left. Lotus hasn't confirmed US sales, but bizarrely and strongly hints that Dr. McDreamy himself, Patrick Dempsey, will be getting one of the first vehicles, so we do expect to see the vehicle come stateside, whatever they end up calling it.

The Future: Lotus plans to keep the vehicle around for 8 years, in that time launching several derivatives that will include the aforementioned high performance model and convertible. Knowing Lotus, we fully expect there to be up to a dozen inexplicable models with the Eagle range. Production will take place at Hethel alongside the Elise and Exige to the tune of 2,000 units a year; bringing total Lotus production up to 5,000 vehicles yearly and giving the diminutive company much needed financial liquidity. For some reason, the company thinks that keeping the Eagle's real 'E' name under wraps until next Tuesday lends the model some air of mystery. Regardless of what they call it, we know that we want one.

Oh, yeah, here's the press release:

The New Distinctive, Mid-engined, 2+2 Sportscar from Lotus
Eagerly anticipated and making its official global debut at the British Motorshow in London on July 22nd, the first all-new car from Lotus since the iconic Elise in 1995, will enter the sportscar market as the only mid-engined 2+2 in production.

The new car, which is known only by its project name 'Eagle', is a more holistic offering than the Elise and Exige models that have been so massively popular with track day enthusiasts. The car, the name for which will be announced at the British Motorshow on 22nd July at an 11:30 press conference, is designed for people who desire exotic sportscar characteristics of stunning design, exclusivity, dramatic proportions and performance. Project Eagle also offers real-world usability and a unique sense of occasion.

Powered by a 3.5-litre V6 producing 280 PS, the new car employs innovative lightweight chassis technology to ensure visceral all-round dynamic performance, in keeping with the great Lotus tradition. Even in the very early stages of development testing, Lotus ride and handling engineers report that it is considerably faster around the famously demanding Nürburgring circuit than the Elise and more stable at speed than the Exige.

Inside, Project Eagle cocoons occupants with a sumptuous leather surfaces juxtaposed with contemporary high-tech features. With driver focused instrumentation the driver sits in cockpit-esque surroundings. A beautifully appointed dash boasts tactile details such as flush-mounted controls that glow with blue LED haloes and a stylised speedometer and rev counter ensuring that controls are both attractive and accessible.

Styled in-house by Lotus Design, the Project Eagle's sleek, sophisticated and attention-snaring lines brilliantly disguise its ability to accommodate passengers in the rear of the cabin, giving the car the external characteristics of a small, nimble sportscar whilst belying its internal space. As well as being sold in a 2+2 configuration, the car will also be available as a purely two-seater, the space in the rear being allocated to luggage storage. Other derivatives are also planned for the future, including a convertible and an ultra-high performance version.

Deliveries of Project Eagle will begin in Spring 2009, and with only 2000 of the hand crafted cars planned each year, this exclusive and unique car is creating a real stir with celebrity enthusiasts around the world. Hollywood actor and car enthusiast Patrick Dempsey is just one of the high profile collectors who are on the waiting list for a test drive.

Mike Kimberley, CEO of Group Lotus plc, had this to say about the new model: "Project Eagle is the biggest milestone Lotus has achieved since the Elise was born 13 years ago. We are currently working at broadening the appeal of the Lotus brand through an aggressive 5-year model plan of which this car represents the first exciting step."

Ends

Notes to Editors

Project Eagle in detail:

Project Eagle is the first of three new models included in the CEO's (Mike Kimberley) five year strategic business plan initiated in October 2006 to support Lotus' growth.

Design
Designed in-house by Lotus Design, Head of Design, Russell Carr, explains "Project Eagle's dynamically sculptured form and dramatic proportions communicate visual drama, speed and agility even when the car is standing still. Sportscars are primarily an emotional rather than a rational purchase and so the design must seduce with its beauty and distinctive character. However, the modern customer also demands that the product offers real-world usability as well as exotic imagery. Therefore every element of the car's exterior and interior has been carefully designed to create a product that offers comfort and convenience as well as traditional performance car attributes."

A design language of dynamic lines and fluid surfaces that flow from the 'Lotus -mouth' and over the length the cars toned form are unmistakably 'modern Lotus'. They instantly convey a sense of agility and athleticism that is intrinsic to the car's driving persona. On Project Eagle they are complemented by the distinctive wraparound visor screen but have been subtly tailored to suit the more sophisticated character of the car, optimise high-speed aerodynamics and artfully disguise the unique 2+2 layout. The cab forward proportion combines with muscular haunches and optimised intake detailing to instantly inform the viewer that this is a serious mid-engine sportscar. Elsewhere a Lotus philosophy for combining function with beauty is evident in the downforce generating, top exit radiator vent, rear diffuser and rear wing.

Inside the car the forms echo the exterior with fast moving surfaces that wrap around the cockpit cosseting the occupants, the contrast colour band that flows from the instrument cluster and sweeps around the cabin highlights this theme. "We recognise that 'touch' not only assists with driving enjoyment but also conveys messages about quality and therefore great attention has been paid to all the areas where the driver interfaces with the car." Carr explains. Figure hugging adjustable sports seats and flat-bottomed steering wheel instantly communicate the driving potential of the car. Project Eagle employs premium quality material and finishes to create an exclusive, British handcrafted ambience that is unique in this price segment. Modern, precision-engineered aluminium inserts and hi-fi quality, edge-lit switches are brilliantly juxtaposed against the traditional contrast stitched leather panels.

Everyday convenience is catered for through ergonomically located touch screen SAT NAV, remote release glove box, storage bins and integrated "cup holders".

Technology
In a world launch by partners Alpine, Project Eagle boasts a truly cutting edge in-car entertainment and navigation system. The multi-media system features a 7in touch-screen providing advanced audio, satellite navigation, Bluetooth hands-free telephone and iPod® connectivity functions; the screen also serves as a monitor for Project Eagle's optional reversing camera. The satellite navigation element of the system has a removable hard-drive, allowing you to programme it from the comfort of your home or use it as a roaming satellite navigation unit and MP3 player.

The Alpine audio set-up is one of the most sophisticated automotive systems in the world. Called IMPRINT and using MultEQ sound enhancement technology, it is able to cancel out imbalances in the sound caused by different areas of the cabin - window glass, for instance, creates echoes, while carpets suppress mid-range frequencies - resulting in amazingly crisp, clear, undistorted sound reproduction wherever you are seated in the car.

A bespoke progressive air-conditioning system developed by Bergstrom is standard on all models, while on-board tyre pressure monitoring will be either standard or optional depending on model and market. And in deference to the American market in particular, a module in the headlining will accommodate automatic garage and gate opening remote controls.

Interior space and accommodation
The rear seats of 2+2 versions of Project Eagle are intended for children or smaller adults on short journeys. To maximise comfort in the rear, there is foot-room under the seats in front, while both back seats feature ISOFIX mountings for secure child seat fitment.

When unoccupied, the rear seats provide a convenient stowage area for briefcases and jackets, adding to Project Eagle's appeal as an everyday car. The boot, which ingeniously features a fresh air cooling system to reduce the effect of heat ingress from the engine bay, will accommodate a set of golf clubs.

A two-seater derivative of Project Eagle is planned and will have a luggage shelf in the back replacing the two rear seats.

Safety
Lotus' Project Eagle conforms to all regulatory standards and in addition boasts additional safety features; Lotus aluminium chassis technology applied to Project Eagle's provides the car with immense inherent strength, particularly in regard to side impacts and a tubular steel seatbelt anchorage frame that also acts as a rollover structure.

Anti-lock brakes are standard on all models, as are traction and stability controls; these systems have been specially developed in co-operation with Bosch to provide enhanced safety features whilst maintaining performance characteristics.

Under the bonnet
Lotus continues its excellent working relationship with Toyota, world leaders in engine development and manufacture and Formula 1 competitors. For Project Eagle Lotus has modified Toyota's 3.5-litre V6, with dual VVT-i ('intelligent' variable valve timing) for optimum performance.

Performance
At the time of unveiling, full performance figures for the new Lotus will not have been compiled on a production specification car, however Lotus has a further 6 months of development time to conduct these before Project Eagle is available to test drive.

While for Lotus top speed is of less importance than stability at speed, early indications suggest a maximum speed of 160 mph; the 0-60 mph sprint from standstill is estimated at sub 5 seconds (prototype figures).
Mitlov
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Lotus has breathed on the electronic engine controls to make it more suitable for its new home powering a sportscar that weighs around 3,000 lb (less than 1400kg).


So it's not 2300 lbs after all? Who's suckin' it now, Dr. Strangelove? wink.gif
Uwe
QUOTE(Diesel @ Jul 16 2008, 05:53 PM) *
Technology
In a world launch by partners Alpine, Project Eagle boasts a truly cutting edge in-car entertainment and navigation system. The multi-media system features a 7in touch-screen providing advanced audio, satellite navigation, Bluetooth hands-free telephone and iPod® connectivity functions; the screen also serves as a monitor for Project Eagle's optional reversing camera. The satellite navigation element of the system has a removable hard-drive, allowing you to programme it from the comfort of your home or use it as a roaming satellite navigation unit and MP3 player.

The Alpine audio set-up is one of the most sophisticated automotive systems in the world. Called IMPRINT and using MultEQ sound enhancement technology, it is able to cancel out imbalances in the sound caused by different areas of the cabin - window glass, for instance, creates echoes, while carpets suppress mid-range frequencies - resulting in amazingly crisp, clear, undistorted sound reproduction wherever you are seated in the car.

Thanks, Diesel, for your post. It just highlights what's wrong with this car. Do I buy a Lotus for its cutting edge in-car entertainment and the crisp sound quality of the audio system? No, I don't. They've completely lost the focus.
Diesel
the thing is.. Lotus already HAS a lightweight car. they're just trying to expand their audience.

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Project Eagle is the first of three new models included in the CEO's (Mike Kimberley) five year strategic business plan initiated in October 2006 to support Lotus' growth.
Synesthesia
QUOTE(Uwe @ Jul 16 2008, 12:20 PM) *
Thanks, Diesel, for your post. It just highlights what's wrong with this car. Do I buy a Lotus for its cutting edge in-car entertainment and the crisp sound quality of the audio system? No, I don't. They've completely lost the focus.


So don't buy it. As Diesel quoted, there will be more models. If the mainstream models provide revenue for the R&D and production of the stripper track models, fine. Seems like that's what's needed in this day and age.
Mitlov
QUOTE(Synesthesia @ Jul 16 2008, 09:58 AM) *
So don't buy it. As Diesel quoted, there will be more models. If the mainstream models provide revenue for the R&D and production of the stripper track models, fine. Seems like that's what's needed in this day and age.


The man's got a point. Would there have ever been money to design and build the 911 GT2 if it weren't for the Cayenne?
Uwe
QUOTE(Diesel @ Jul 16 2008, 06:22 PM) *
the thing is.. Lotus already HAS a lightweight car. they're just trying to expand their audience.

They are a small car manufacturer with only limited resources for car development and they should think long and hard about where to spend them. I bet the Eagle project is sucking up a lot of money. The Elise/Exige combo isn't the freshest one and will need a facelift sooner or later which again will cost money. Plus they aren't exactly lightweight anymore.

Lotus spends a lot of money only to compete with Porsche and the likes while neglecting their traditional customers. I don't want to sound like cassandra but this seems like a very dangerous route to me.

As for the Porsche GT2 and Cayenne comparison: Porsche has a huge amount of cash in their bank account and even for them the Cayenne was considered a risk. It payed off but I would be surprised if Lotus even could spend in one year what Porsche can spend in one week. What happens if the new customers that Lotus hopes to acquire will not buy enough Eagles (or whatever they will be called)? Or if there are problems with the car because it will be much more complicated than anything Lotus has built until today? This could dry up Lotus' cash resources in no time and all this for a market where they have a me-too product.
Dr. Strangelove
I was going to disagree with you Uwe, when I thought the car weighed 2,300 lbs. Now I think this is bad.
Uwe
All marketing schools are trying to teach us: Concentrate on a market segment where your products are leading and where you have earned a good reputation or where you have the prospects of becoming one of the market leaders. In short: where you are the shark among tunas.

I don't suggest Lotus should not try something new. And the Eagle might be a brilliant car (which I cannot judge atm). The problem with it is, not only does Lotus enter a market where they will start as a herring but also to become a tuna at least will be awfully expensive (and perhaps too expensive for a small company like Lotus).
clarkma5
Yeah I think Lotus is all wrong here.

Why does everybody always try to build a better 911? It's pointless, Porsche does it the best.
Mitlov
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Jul 16 2008, 04:39 PM) *
Yeah I think Lotus is all wrong here.

Why does everybody always try to build a better 911? It's pointless, Porsche does it the best.


That's like saying "why does everybody try to build a better 3-Series? It's pointless, BMW does it best." Because there's a lot of money there, and just because BMW does it really well right now doesn't mean you can't get a healthy bite of that pie.

Maybe none of the 3-Series killers have dethroned the 3-Series, but I bet quite a few of them have made a nice profit for their manufacturers. The same is potentially true here.

And from a consumer perspective, more variety is good. Yes, a Porsche 911 is a great car, but some people want something different, or don't like the 911 for one reason or another. This gives them the possibility of choosing something else. It also keeps the spurs in Porsche to ensure that they don't rest on their laurels.
clarkma5
I'm well aware of the real answer to that question (you just said it), but I'm making a point on a more esoteric level (actually it's kinda just reiterating Uwe's thinking): Lotus got where it is, at least in the last 10-15 years, by offering a niche product that nobody else makes. You buy a Lotus because it's a Lotus, and only Lotus makes a Lotus, whereas you might buy a BMW 3-series or a Porsche 911 more because they're "the best" in their respective segment.

I'd like to think that Lotus's modern mission is to do what nobody else does. More civilized and usable than these garage-built motorcycle-powered kit cars, but far more focused than anything else that calls itself a "sports car", they are alone in a class of car that you may as well just call "Lotus". Uwe rightly points out that Lotus doesn't have the development money that they really need to make a splash in this middle-high mainstream sports car realm, they're probably just going to be eaten alive and I, personally, don't think they're going to do what Porsche did with the Cayenne and build a "moneymaking" sorta mainstream car. It'll just be another niche product for Lotus, one that cost them a lot of money to design and build.
Synesthesia
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Jul 16 2008, 09:03 PM) *
Uwe rightly points out that Lotus doesn't have the development money that they really need to make a splash in this middle-high mainstream sports car realm, they're probably just going to be eaten alive and I, personally, don't think they're going to do what Porsche did with the Cayenne and build a "moneymaking" sorta mainstream car. It'll just be another niche product for Lotus, one that cost them a lot of money to design and build.


What if Lotus Engineering has an interest in the Eagle? That is the hope, to make money off the Eagle, and it doesn't seem like they're screwing around.
Mitlov
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/22/london-...eils-the-evora/

That interior is gorgeous. HOWEVER...

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To illustrate, the automaker claims it will fit two American males in the front seats (did they just call us fat?). It's a mid-engine, 2+2 coupe (a convertible is planned) with 3.5L V6 sourced from Toyota but elevated by Lotus above its humble origins to produce 276 horsepower. The car weighs just 2,976 lbs., which might be a lot for a Lotus but is well below the average weight of most cars.


For comparison, the base 911 Carrera weighs 3,075 lbs and makes 325 horsepower. The Lotus is down 50 horsepower and only weighs 100 lbs less.

As as for that Toyota 3.5L V6 "elevated by Lotus above its humble origins to produce 276 horsepower"...doesn't the Lexus IS350 make 306 horsepower? Heck, the Toyota Camry's 3.5L makes 268 horsepower...that's only 8 less than the Lotus's "elevated" performance!
Phix
What a sexy car and interior.

But, it's just not Lotus. In fact, they've already used this design philosphy with the Tesla Roadster so it's not that original to begin with...

lol... 2 American males in the front seats. Your obesity is a global joke.
Synesthesia
Holy hell, that's gorgeous. So now it's called the Evora? Better than the Eagle I guess.

If it is significantly cheaper than a 911 Carrera, I won't care about the rather lackluster increase in power over the Camry engine and the relatively high weight. If it's not significantly cheaper than a 911 Carerra, Lotus is totally fucked (which would be a shame, because I'm starting to really like this thing).
Mitlov
The Evora's website is up:

http://www.lotusevora.com/

Looking at pictures, I had assumed it was FR. But it's MR. I can't think of another MR 2+2 on the market...every MR car I can think of is a two-seater. Does anyone else know of any?
clarkma5
Can a Camry V6 really give this car a good sound? I hope so.

But no matter what, this car's curb weight is dissappointingly un-Lotus. It either needs to lose several hundred pounds to become proper or at least gain some grunt to be competitive in its segment.
Synesthesia
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Jul 22 2008, 07:03 PM) *
Can a Camry V6 really give this car a good sound? I hope so.

But no matter what, this car's curb weight is dissappointingly un-Lotus. It either needs to lose several hundred pounds to become proper or at least gain some grunt to be competitive in its segment.


I don't know if this is real, but if you go to the site and click Overview and then Roar the sound is pretty nice. DS_Naughty2.gif
Easton
Looks good at the front and side, back is iffy to me.

I still prefer the Elise, which they'd just stretch the Elise to make the Eagle - that would have looked better.
moe
That interior is gorgeous. Simplistic, as Lotus's are, but not stripped-out either. The exterior, on the other hand, is hideous. Anyone remember the Lotus M250 concept? That's what this should've looked like...
Synesthesia
QUOTE(moethepaki @ Jul 25 2008, 04:27 AM) *
That interior is gorgeous. Simplistic, as Lotus's are, but not stripped-out either. The exterior, on the other hand, is hideous. Anyone remember the Lotus M250 concept? That's what this should've looked like...


Jeeze, I think this looks a lot better than the M250 concept. There are a lot of shared design elements, but the Evora is more aggressive and less '90s. The design is a bit busy though.
MustangAficionado
QUOTE(Synesthesia @ Jul 22 2008, 04:35 PM) *
I don't know if this is real, but if you go to the site and click Overview and then Roar the sound is pretty nice. DS_Naughty2.gif

No, no it doesn't. But i really like this car, regardless of how "un-Lotus" it is.
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