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clarkma5
For more on the DieselStation Car of the Year '08 competition, please see this thread.

Ford Shelby GT Coupe
Base MSRP:
$35,580
Available Engines: 4.6 liter SOHC 24-valve V8 with 319 HP and 330 ft.-lbs. of torque.
Available Transmissions: 5-speed manual or 5-speed automatic transmission
Available Drivetrains: Rear wheel drive
EPA Fuel Economy: 15 City/23 Highway (5MT), 15/22 (5AT) Specs for standard Mustang GT model
Curb Weight: 3400 lbs. (est.)







Honda S2000 CR
Base MSRP:
$36,300
Available Engines: 2.2 liter DOHC 16-valve inline-4 with 237 HP and 162 ft.-lbs. of torque.
Available Transmissions: 6-speed manual
Available Drivetrains: Rear wheel drive
EPA Fuel Economy: 18 City/25 Highway
Curb Weight: 2765-2855 lbs.







Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
Base MSRP:
$32,990
Available Engines: 2.0 liter turbocharged DOHC 16-valve inline-4 with 291 HP and 300 ft.-lbs. of torque.
Available Transmissions: 5-speed manual or 6-speed dual-clutch sequential manual transmission
Available Drivetrains: All-wheel drive
EPA Fuel Economy: 16 City/22 Highway (5MT), (TC-SST N/A)
Curb Weight: 3517-3594 lbs.







Nissan 350Z Nismo
Base MSRP:
$38,290
Available Engines: 3.5 liter DOHC 24-valve V6 with 306 HP and 268 ft.-lbs. of torque.
Available Transmissions: 6-speed manual transmission
Available Drivetrains: Rear wheel drive
EPA Fuel Economy: 18 City/25 Highway
Curb Weight: 3353 lbs.







Subaru Impreza WRX STI
Base MSRP:
$34,995
Available Engines: 2.5 liter turbocharged DOHC 16-valve horizontally-opposed flat-4 with 305 HP and 290 ft.-lbs. of torque.
Available Transmissions: 6-speed manual
Available Drivetrains: All wheel drive
EPA Fuel Economy: 17 City/23 Highway
Curb Weight: 3395 lbs.





moe
Vote cast for the S2000 CR. I may not be a fan of the way the aerodynamic aids look, but they're functional. I love the purity of the car, and I'm pretty sure it's the closest Honda's going to get to making a Type-R version. The Nismo runs it close, but it's a lot heavier and I'd rather have a convertible. I also can't deny the old-school appeal of the Shelby. The Evo and STi are great cars, but not my choice in this company.
mung35
I'm really getting into the Toybaru.. it got my vote...

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Those wheels are HOT!
Razor
Eheh...hehehehe. tongue.gif

I really love what Mitsubishi's done with the Evo. Talking to a member here revealed to me that the Evo IX was a shitload of fun to drive but terrible to live with day to day. It sounds like Mitsubishi has really fixed that this time around. The Evo X is something that every review so far has said can be driven day in and day out, and then thrashed on the track on weekends, which is what a Boy Racer should be. Clearly this is a step away from the enthusiast car that was the Evo VIII/IX, but I think it's a step in the right direction for expanding the group of buyers. Furthermore, certain reviews have posted faster laptimes than the WRX STI with both the GSR model and the MR model. I truly think this is going to be one hell of an awesome car. thumbs_up.gif
Bjorn
I don't know what it is, maybe there is something wrong with me mentally...but the EVO X just doesn't do anything for me. The Nismo and S2000 CR are nice, but again, don't stir anything inside me. And the mustang looks old and clunky in this crowd.

The STi on the other hand, I think is my ideal sport's car...you might even say it is my current "realistic dream car".

I think the only car sold on the planet today, which could be in this category, and give the STi a run for it's money IMO is the JDM spec Civic Type R...I seriously hope we get some version of that car over here.
goota
QUOTE(Bjorn @ Feb 14 2008, 05:11 AM) *
I don't know what it is, maybe there is something wrong with me mentally...but the EVO X just doesn't do anything for me. The Nismo and S2000 CR are nice, but again, don't stir anything inside me. And the mustang looks old and clunky in this crowd.

The STi on the other hand, I think is my ideal sport's car...you might even say it is my current "realistic dream car".

I think the only car sold on the planet today, which could be in this category, and give the STi a run for it's money IMO is the JDM spec Civic Type R...I seriously hope we get some version of that car over here.

a little 2 door, 200hp hatch? your crazy, no way are they in the same power/price range.


I vote for the EVO X, I think the s2000 CR and Nismo 350z are kind of a waste of money. Why spend the extra money on mods I probably wouldnt want (body kit) and just buy a base model and mod only what I like.

as for the mustang, it comes in a distant second, but second nonetheless.
moe
QUOTE(goota @ Feb 14 2008, 07:25 PM) *
a little 2 door, 200hp hatch? your crazy, no way are they in the same power/price range.


Tsk, tsk. I thought you knew your JDM Goota. The JDM CTR is a sedan now, and apparently absolutely mind-blowing to drive. EVO rated it higher the Gallardo Superleggera in their COTY special. In fact, I think it finished sixth overall after behind the 997 GT3 RS, 430 Scuderia, R8, CLK Black, and the M3. Not a bad set of cars to lose to at all...especially if you're a Civic. Even more impressive when you consider it beat out (in no particular order) the Aston DBS, Lotus 2-Eleven, Gallardo Superleggera, 350Z, Vauxhall VXR8, and the Mini Cooper S JCW.
dukenukem
Guess what i voted? DS_Naughty2.gif
Razor
QUOTE(dukenukem @ Feb 14 2008, 10:47 AM) *
Guess what i voted? DS_Naughty2.gif


Asshat. thumbs_down.gif













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dukenukem
QUOTE(Razor @ Feb 14 2008, 10:28 AM) *
Asshat. thumbs_down.gif
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Dont blame me for your fatty fetish canadian.gif
clarkma5
I went for the STI too. I was really pulling toward the Shelby (it's supposed to be the best Mustang ever made pretty much, or at least in the top 3) but the STI is just so damned sexy.
Bjorn
Fuck...I just spent 5 minutes staring at the STi...I have to quit...or I might go out and do something stupid, like try to buy one, bankrupting me.
moe
^ You can sleep in a car, but you can't drive a house. wink.gif
Bjorn
^That is the smartest thing I have ever heard on the internet!

QUOTE(goota @ Feb 14 2008, 09:25 AM) *
a little 2 door, 200hp hatch? your crazy, no way are they in the same power/price range.


Goota, this is the new JDM Civic Type R...I think it is gorgeous.

Razor
QUOTE(dukenukem @ Feb 14 2008, 11:41 AM) *
Dont blame me for your fatty fetish canadian.gif


For all that anorexia, you sure are slow.
dukenukem
QUOTE(Razor @ Feb 14 2008, 12:51 PM) *
For all that anorexia, you sure are slow.

Beat you in the quarter mile tongue.gif
Razor
QUOTE(dukenukem @ Feb 14 2008, 02:53 PM) *
Beat you in the quarter mile tongue.gif


Beat you around the track.
dukenukem
QUOTE(Razor @ Feb 14 2008, 02:25 PM) *
Beat you around the track.

Everyone knows you have to live your life a quarter mile at a time.
moe
QUOTE(Razor @ Feb 15 2008, 12:25 AM) *
Beat you around the track.


Which track?

Tsukuba Lap Times:

Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X : 1:06:46

Subaru Impreza WRX STI : 1:05:95 DS_Naughty2.gif

More here.
Razor
QUOTE(moethepaki @ Feb 14 2008, 04:04 PM) *
Which track?

Tsukuba Lap Times:

Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X : 1:06:46

Subaru Impreza WRX STI : 1:05:95 DS_Naughty2.gif
More here.


This is worth looking at: R&T Comparison
And this track: R&T Laptimes

Even has telemetry for you.

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clarkma5
Oh god quit bitching about a tenth here or a tenth there. We all know the Impreza and the Evo are each going to win very nearly 50% of the battles against each other, it's just preference.

I hate the Evo/STI debate...
mung35
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Feb 14 2008, 03:13 PM) *
Oh god quit bitching about a tenth here or a tenth there. We all know the Impreza and the Evo are each going to win very nearly 50% of the battles against each other, it's just preference.

I hate the Evo/STI debate...


What else is the internet for then?
clarkma5
Just because something's inevitable doesn't mean I have to like it.
b0mb3r
as my friend said: "the evo looks like it eats baby skylines for lunch"

he is right... the evo looks and acts the part... smile.gif
redlinehappiness
I voted for the STi even though I rather have a Lancer over an Impreza.
moe
QUOTE(Razor @ Feb 15 2008, 02:48 AM) *
This is worth looking at: R&T Comparison
And this track: R&T Laptimes

Even has telemetry for you.

rolleyes.gif DS_Naughty2.gif


There's plenty of other stuff I could find, but then again...I didn't even vote for the STI. So I'm not going to bother fighting about tenths.
Synesthesia
Haha as annoying as the Evo/STi debate is, I'm glad the battle is still being waged. I'd be sad if one beat the other this time around.

I voted the STi for the hatchback, the 6 speed, the interior, and the better hp/weight ratio. wink.gif
Bjorn
I saw my first EVO X in the flesh last night...definitely has more presence than the standard Lancer, with it's widened arches and slashes everywhere...but it looked a bit plasticy (especially the rear"difuser") and to tell you the truth, the noise it made was pretty pathetic.

I was beside the guy at the light, and I had to rev my engine just for fun, and he took off...and I was like "where's the sound?"

Edit, I know Turbocharged cars typically are more muted than NA and supercharged cars, however the noise was pathetic even for a turbocharged car!
350Z
The 360 HP Evo we get over here would win my vote.
goota
QUOTE(moethepaki @ Feb 14 2008, 07:46 AM) *
Tsk, tsk. I thought you knew your JDM Goota. The JDM CTR is a sedan now, and apparently absolutely mind-blowing to drive. EVO rated it higher the Gallardo Superleggera in their COTY special. In fact, I think it finished sixth overall after behind the 997 GT3 RS, 430 Scuderia, R8, CLK Black, and the M3. Not a bad set of cars to lose to at all...especially if you're a Civic. Even more impressive when you consider it beat out (in no particular order) the Aston DBS, Lotus 2-Eleven, Gallardo Superleggera, 350Z, Vauxhall VXR8, and the Mini Cooper S JCW.

that CTR is never going to be sold in north america or europe, therefore its useless to compare it to anything else.
moe
The UK's getting it unofficially, and EVO was so impressed with it, that they brought it along.
goota
QUOTE(moethepaki @ Feb 19 2008, 12:03 AM) *
The UK's getting it unofficially, and EVO was so impressed with it, that they brought it along.

well its not coming to the US, so I dont care.


btw. I hate you sad.gif
moe
QUOTE(goota @ Feb 19 2008, 12:56 PM) *
well its not coming to the US, so I dont care.
btw. I hate you sad.gif


How similar is the Mugen Si to the JDM Type-R?

And, why? sad.gif

I heart.gif you.

EDIT: Clarkma wasn't the Mugen Si an '08 model?
Bjorn
Moe this is what I found out about the 2008 Honda Civic Mugen Si on Wikipedia


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In the fall of 2007, a slight variant on the standard Si sedan model, the Honda Civic Mugen Si sedan (2008), was introduced. While Mugen Motorsports is known for its performance heritage, the Mugen Si project is more concerned with cosmetic alterations to the standard Si. Honda has announced that a total of 1000 Mugen Si cars will be produced for the U.S. domestic market (USDM), and lists the following as "exclusive standard features" of the car:

* Twin-Ring Motegi track-tuned suspension
* Aerodynamic body styling
* "Cat-back" sports exhaust system
* Highly aggressive spring and damper tuning
* Mugen €š‚“forged aluminum wheels measure 18 x 7.5 inches
* High-grip summer tires (215/40R18)
* Front spoiler and sports grille
* Side spoilers
* Rear diffuser
* Adjustable rear wing
* Improved exhaust that boosts horsepower to 202 (from the Si's 197)


here is a blurb on the JDM CTR
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The Japanese and Malaysian market Civic Type R (FD2) went on sale on the 30th March 2007. For the first time the JDM Civic is sold as a four door sedan rather than a three door hatchback. The new Japanese model's engine output is higher than the European version's, with 222bhp (225 PS) being developed at 8,400 rpm and 159 lb (72 kg) ft (215 NM) of torque peaking at 6,100rpm (versus 198 bhp (148 kW) at 7,800 rpm and 142 lb (64 kg) ft at 5,600 rpm for the European model). Drive is fed through a close ratio six speed gearbox, and a limited slip differential is fitted as standard. The front brake discs are fitted with four pot Brembo calipers, and the car runs on 225/40 R18 Bridgestone Potenza RE070 tyres. A Type R aero kit and trademark black and red bucket seats complete the package.

Honda claims the body is 50% more rigid than the previous Japan-only Integra Type R, and the new model features an independent rear suspension rather than the torsion beam configuration used on the latest European Civic Type-R.[1] To save weight, aluminum is used extensively and bonded with adhesive instead of welded.

In back to back tests the FD2 Type-R was on average 1 second quicker than the (DC5) Integra Type-R at the Tsukuba Circuit and 4 seconds faster at Suzuka.

While I would guess that the front suspension is similar, I think the JDM Civic goes that extra inch, with the Brembo brakes, IRS and bonded aluminum. However they look pretty similar:

Mugen Si

CTR


I seriously hope that the Mugen Si was just a precursor to a North American Si-R (I love those little guys!)...which will be as hard-core as the JDM CTR. Although I doubt we will get a car which is as crazy...mainly because it would be mega expensive, and I don`t know how much North Americans would pay for a Civic (although the last Si-R sold for $28,000 in Canada, which is WRX money...but it didnt sell too well!).
moe
The US magazines seem to all say that the Mugen Si was a good drive, but not worth the money. The UK publications all seem to say that the CTR is close in spirit to the NSX-R, and the first generation ITR, which are some of the greatest driver's cars of all time. So I'm guessing the Mugen Si really isn't comparable.
Bjorn
^That's my take on it...different kettle of fish entirely, and to be honest, while I claim to love these cars, I would never pay $30,000+ for a new Civic Type R (SiR here in Canuckville)...however if I saw one on the used market...

And I think that pretty much goes for all of this "Boy-Racer", "Track-Day-Special" stuff. I love the concept, and applaud any car company which lets its engineers design a real, no-compromise, drivers car...but in the end I personally wouldn't be willing to pay the premium over the bog standard model, and can understand why manufacturers are so hesitant to sell them over here (the 997 GT3 aside however, I would do almost anything for that car)
clarkma5
QUOTE(moethepaki @ Feb 19 2008, 01:23 AM) *
How similar is the Mugen Si to the JDM Type-R?

And, why? sad.gif

I heart.gif you.

EDIT: Clarkma wasn't the Mugen Si an '08 model?


I didn't really consider it a new model. It's a suspension package and a little bodywork.
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