The person who wins the most races during the year wins the championship, if there is a tie, it comes down to who has more points. This is a pretty good compromise, and should make for more ballsy racing. I am really looking forward to this season. There are some other changes too:
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/3/9024.html
Full Version: Snap! FIA changes driver championship points
Oh wow, what an interesting cost decision:
As an alternative to running under the existing rules, which are to remain stable until 2012, all teams will have the option to compete with cars built and operated within a stringent cost cap.
The cost cap is £30m (currently approximately €33 or $42m). This figure will cover all expenditure of any kind. Anything subsidised or supplied free will be deemed to have cost its full commercial value and rigorous auditing procedures will apply.
To enable these cars to compete with those from teams which are not subject to cost constraints, the cost-capped cars will be allowed greater technical freedom.
The principal technical freedoms allowed are as follows:
1. A more aerodynamically efficient (but standard) under body.
2. Movable wings.
3. An engine which is not subject to a rev limit or a development freeze.
The FIA has the right to adjust elements of these freedoms to ensure that the cost-capped cars have neither an advantage nor a disadvantage when compared to cars running to the existing rules.
As an alternative to running under the existing rules, which are to remain stable until 2012, all teams will have the option to compete with cars built and operated within a stringent cost cap.
The cost cap is £30m (currently approximately €33 or $42m). This figure will cover all expenditure of any kind. Anything subsidised or supplied free will be deemed to have cost its full commercial value and rigorous auditing procedures will apply.
To enable these cars to compete with those from teams which are not subject to cost constraints, the cost-capped cars will be allowed greater technical freedom.
The principal technical freedoms allowed are as follows:
1. A more aerodynamically efficient (but standard) under body.
2. Movable wings.
3. An engine which is not subject to a rev limit or a development freeze.
The FIA has the right to adjust elements of these freedoms to ensure that the cost-capped cars have neither an advantage nor a disadvantage when compared to cars running to the existing rules.
That sounds awful. The guy who gets 9 second places loses to the guy who wins 5 times (potentially)?
Hey FIA: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Hey FIA: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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The FIA has the right to adjust elements of these freedoms to ensure that the cost-capped cars have neither an advantage nor a disadvantage when compared to cars running to the existing rules.
that scares me a bit. i'm not sure i trust the fia on that.
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Mar 17 2009, 02:28 PM) 
That sounds awful. The guy who gets 9 second places loses to the guy who wins 5 times (potentially)?
Hey FIA: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Hey FIA: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
They're trying to prevent people from being contempt with 2nd. Racing drivers should try to win. Now they will.
The other side of the coin is that this only applies to driver's championship. What happens when a 2nd is easy, and gets a constructors champ, but 1st is risky and gets a drivers?
They're reducing options for drivers is what they're doing. Getting consistent results that aren't wins requires skill too. Oh well, I don't watch F1 anyway...mostly because the FIA does ludicrous things with it.
heh, my solution is to watch pretty much every type of motorsports i can get my hands on this year. i'll keep watching the stuff i found interesting this year. so far it's just been wrc, but the 12 hours of sebring are coming up.
This is just a straight up political move by the FIA and Max Mosley to bully FOTA.
FOTA is the first time the teams have actually banded together and acted as one voice in the entireity of F1's history. FOTA is a very real threat to the FIA and Max Mosley's power and they needed to make an example that the FIA is still in charge. Thus, these sudden and rash changes.
The most telling bit of this move is the fact that the FIA didn't even give a REASON as to why they rejected FOTA's proposed change to the points system (12-9-8-6-5-4-3-2-1) which would still allow the winner to take more than 2 points from 2nd place. They just said 'it was rejected' and threw this into the mix. This idea which a few months ago was deemed to have gone to the graveyard and died and out of fucking no where comes out and becomes reality. LESS THAN 2 WEEKS TO THE AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX. Very suspect timing and a blatant political move.
FOTA is the first time the teams have actually banded together and acted as one voice in the entireity of F1's history. FOTA is a very real threat to the FIA and Max Mosley's power and they needed to make an example that the FIA is still in charge. Thus, these sudden and rash changes.
The most telling bit of this move is the fact that the FIA didn't even give a REASON as to why they rejected FOTA's proposed change to the points system (12-9-8-6-5-4-3-2-1) which would still allow the winner to take more than 2 points from 2nd place. They just said 'it was rejected' and threw this into the mix. This idea which a few months ago was deemed to have gone to the graveyard and died and out of fucking no where comes out and becomes reality. LESS THAN 2 WEEKS TO THE AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX. Very suspect timing and a blatant political move.
How the "fans" are taking it....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/poll/2009/...ed-by-victories
88% voted no.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/cancel-th...ampionship-2009
lol online petition but still 2700 signatures already
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/poll/2009/...ed-by-victories
88% voted no.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/cancel-th...ampionship-2009
lol online petition but still 2700 signatures already
yeh new points system seems dumb but the whole cost cap thing is funny/interesting
The points thing does sound a bit gay, if there's a season like there was in the mid-80s with loads of different drivers winning (possible given the new rules) then the title might be won by someone with 2 or 3 wins and a lot less points.
But in general it will probably just shake out similar to what we expect and come down to a slim points advantage between 2 drivers of which the leading one will lose out.
The £30M budget cap sounds to me ridiculous. I'm sure there will be ways around it, but as it includes all team employee salaries and testing activities, wind tunnel running, etc. it really doens't come to much left for the build and running of the car. Teams will get smaller and in today's crisis, this is bad news - unemployment is at it's highest for 12 years in the UK and will get worse, especially as a lot of the F1 teams are UK based.
But in general it will probably just shake out similar to what we expect and come down to a slim points advantage between 2 drivers of which the leading one will lose out.
The £30M budget cap sounds to me ridiculous. I'm sure there will be ways around it, but as it includes all team employee salaries and testing activities, wind tunnel running, etc. it really doens't come to much left for the build and running of the car. Teams will get smaller and in today's crisis, this is bad news - unemployment is at it's highest for 12 years in the UK and will get worse, especially as a lot of the F1 teams are UK based.
This is a terrible idea. They just need to adjust the points for 1, 2, 3 so the winner is rewarded a bit more.
QUOTE(Phix @ Mar 17 2009, 04:57 PM)
This is just a straight up political move by the FIA and Max Mosley to bully FOTA.
FOTA is the first time the teams have actually banded together and acted as one voice in the entireity of F1's history. FOTA is a very real threat to the FIA and Max Mosley's power and they needed to make an example that the FIA is still in charge. Thus, these sudden and rash changes.
The most telling bit of this move is the fact that the FIA didn't even give a REASON as to why they rejected FOTA's proposed change to the points system (12-9-8-6-5-4-3-2-1) which would still allow the winner to take more than 2 points from 2nd place. They just said 'it was rejected' and threw this into the mix. This idea which a few months ago was deemed to have gone to the graveyard and died and out of fucking no where comes out and becomes reality. LESS THAN 2 WEEKS TO THE AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX. Very suspect timing and a blatant political move.
FOTA is the first time the teams have actually banded together and acted as one voice in the entireity of F1's history. FOTA is a very real threat to the FIA and Max Mosley's power and they needed to make an example that the FIA is still in charge. Thus, these sudden and rash changes.
The most telling bit of this move is the fact that the FIA didn't even give a REASON as to why they rejected FOTA's proposed change to the points system (12-9-8-6-5-4-3-2-1) which would still allow the winner to take more than 2 points from 2nd place. They just said 'it was rejected' and threw this into the mix. This idea which a few months ago was deemed to have gone to the graveyard and died and out of fucking no where comes out and becomes reality. LESS THAN 2 WEEKS TO THE AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX. Very suspect timing and a blatant political move.
I will have to agree. The FIA pushed back the points system change to 2010 because the FOTA pointed out rules in the FIA book stating that rules cannot be changed in such extraordinary timeframe unless the teams unanimously agree to it.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73810
What drama, so early on in the season!
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"how it makes sense to eventually have a world champion who has less points than the driver coming in second."
- Schumacher
Well, whatever, the FIA has postponed the rule change until 2010.
This gives FOTA a whole year to fight it and get rid of it. Now the FIA is claiming that it was working under the assumption that all the teams were for it; but, once again, if they were all for it then they wouldn't have proposed the 12-9-8 and so forth points change and just said change it to winner takes all bullshit. Mosley is desperately trying to save face.
This gives FOTA a whole year to fight it and get rid of it. Now the FIA is claiming that it was working under the assumption that all the teams were for it; but, once again, if they were all for it then they wouldn't have proposed the 12-9-8 and so forth points change and just said change it to winner takes all bullshit. Mosley is desperately trying to save face.
Mosley claims that Bernie assured him that all of the teams agreed to the points change. What a crock of shit.. I'm not sure if it's Max's or Bernie's fault, but I'm sure as hell losing more and more respect for these douches.
I never had any respect for the DBs in charge of the FIA, but this was one rule I was looking forward to.
Now before you all jump on my case about this, let me just say that I understand that it also takes skill to settle for second or third. It's just nowhere near as fun to watch.
Now before you all jump on my case about this, let me just say that I understand that it also takes skill to settle for second or third. It's just nowhere near as fun to watch.
QUOTE(Dr. Strangelove @ Mar 23 2009, 03:48 PM)
I never had any respect for the DBs in charge of the FIA, but this was one rule I was looking forward to.
Now before you all jump on my case about this, let me just say that I understand that it also takes skill to settle for second or third. It's just nowhere near as fun to watch.
Now before you all jump on my case about this, let me just say that I understand that it also takes skill to settle for second or third. It's just nowhere near as fun to watch.
Yeah, cause it's so much fun to watch a dominating team which historically in F1 has always been present win the championship with like 6 races to go.
Remember that outside chance for Kubica to win the title? Wouldn't have existed if this retarded rule was in place.
The past few seasons we've had where the title has come down to the last race is a RARE occurance. Historically, there have always been two teams with the machinary to consistently challenge for the title.
Points belong in motorsport in general. Racing for outright wins isn't going to produce better races or harsher risks.
If this was a spec series like A1GP where technically all the cars are the same then yeah that makes sense. Not when manufacturers all build their own cars with varying levels of engineering and quality.
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