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 Oct 27 2004, 09:55 AM
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 I will stand, or I will fall. But I will not sit.  Group: Members Posts: 13,958 Joined: 4-September 03 From: Somewhere between Chicago and Indianapolis Member No.: 58 Car: Miata & RX-7  |
My latest little rant comes in the form of a new turbo system.
http://ststurbo.com/ Basically instead of mounting the turbo next to the exhaust ports they take it and mount it all the way in the back of the car. I think its a HORRIBLE idea because the exhaust tempurature and velocity at the end of the pipe ruin the effiency of the turbo and the lag must be absolutely out of this world. -------------------- There's an old saying for cars...
Fast, reliable, cheap. Pick two. For rotaries pick one. 1988 Mazda RX-7 TII, 5-spd, LSD, Black 1999 Mazda Miata, 5-spd, Black |
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Oct 27 2004, 10:14 AM
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 _________ Group: Members Posts: 1,815 Joined: 22-October 03 From: Canada Member No.: 138 |
I've seen these quite a few times. And their becoming popular on fbody's due to the tight engine bays.
I saw one that made crazy power. And was really efficient. I'll try to get you a link w/ details and dynograph. Till then, http://thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthread.php...threadid=238864 This guys 89 cavalier z24 broke into the 13's at only 13psi (ran low 16's prior to turbo) with an inexperienced fwd driver and very minimal other mods. You can read the thread, nice improvement I say. -------------------- life behind bars
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Oct 27 2004, 10:24 AM
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 Talkin' the talk since 2003 Group: Members Posts: 27,235 Joined: 27-August 03 From: California Member No.: 27 Car: 2004 VW GTI 1.8T |
Awful idea. Can you say "lag"?
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Oct 27 2004, 10:33 AM
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I will stand, or I will fall. But I will not sit. Group: Members Posts: 13,958 Joined: 4-September 03 From: Somewhere between Chicago and Indianapolis Member No.: 58 Car: Miata & RX-7 |
QUOTE(Forrest @ Oct 27 2004, 01:14 PM) This guys 89 cavalier z24 broke into the 13's at only 13psi (ran low 16's prior to turbo) with an inexperienced fwd driver and very minimal other mods. You can read the thread, nice improvement I say. Hahaha the horrible lag acts as traction control 
-------------------- There's an old saying for cars...
Fast, reliable, cheap. Pick two. For rotaries pick one. 1988 Mazda RX-7 TII, 5-spd, LSD, Black 1999 Mazda Miata, 5-spd, Black |
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Oct 27 2004, 10:45 AM
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_________ Group: Members Posts: 1,815 Joined: 22-October 03 From: Canada Member No.: 138 |
Here we go. read this thread. Many had to be convinced here.
http://genmay.net/showthread.php?t=444322 101hp gain from 5 psi on 2001 camaro. STS turbo. -------------------- life behind bars
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Oct 27 2004, 10:47 AM
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I will stand, or I will fall. But I will not sit. Group: Members Posts: 13,958 Joined: 4-September 03 From: Somewhere between Chicago and Indianapolis Member No.: 58 Car: Miata & RX-7 |
Do you have compairison of a proper setup? And the dyno tells you nothing about lag either.
-------------------- There's an old saying for cars...
Fast, reliable, cheap. Pick two. For rotaries pick one. 1988 Mazda RX-7 TII, 5-spd, LSD, Black 1999 Mazda Miata, 5-spd, Black |
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Oct 27 2004, 10:57 AM
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 Der Volksadmin Group: Moderators Posts: 6,691 Joined: 26-August 03 From: South Windsor, CT Member No.: 5 Car: 2000 GTI VR6 |
heres a better idea. move the turbo back there. then, move the whole ENGINE back there. imagine how sick that would be? rear engine turbo car?.....
 
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Oct 27 2004, 10:59 AM
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I will stand, or I will fall. But I will not sit. Group: Members Posts: 13,958 Joined: 4-September 03 From: Somewhere between Chicago and Indianapolis Member No.: 58 Car: Miata & RX-7 |
QUOTE(BankieVR6 @ Oct 27 2004, 01:57 PM) heres a better idea. move the turbo back there. then, move the whole ENGINE back there. imagine how sick that would be? rear engine turbo car?..... http://www.iupload.net/102004/tbo2.jpg What you say? 
-------------------- There's an old saying for cars...
Fast, reliable, cheap. Pick two. For rotaries pick one. 1988 Mazda RX-7 TII, 5-spd, LSD, Black 1999 Mazda Miata, 5-spd, Black |
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Oct 27 2004, 11:01 AM
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Comparisons tough to make or find. I'll say you can probably only get so far with one of these..
But they make an easy, and pretty well working solution. On an Fbody for example to run a proper turbo, you need shorty headers to accomodate room in the engine bay while Long tube headers yield quite bigger gains as far as headers go on an LT1. So say you were to have the same setup with a proper setup, and then the rear mount they could be made pretty equal, until you push it past whatever point it becomes a real disadvantage. But I mean for the gains I think it's a nice product. A simple 4 hour install, as opposed to tearing into an Fbody's engine bay. On smaller cars I could see this being not as good an option though. I'm not going to argue it's not perfect as their is already the first option that works better (tough to determine how much). But for an easy 100hp at low boost, I beleive the lags not that bad on this car, and it's a pretty cool idea. -------------------- life behind bars
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Oct 27 2004, 11:03 AM
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I will stand, or I will fall. But I will not sit. Group: Members Posts: 13,958 Joined: 4-September 03 From: Somewhere between Chicago and Indianapolis Member No.: 58 Car: Miata & RX-7 |
Imagine that setup on a honda whole only moves 2 liters of air.
 Well if you're lucky.
-------------------- There's an old saying for cars...
Fast, reliable, cheap. Pick two. For rotaries pick one. 1988 Mazda RX-7 TII, 5-spd, LSD, Black 1999 Mazda Miata, 5-spd, Black |
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Oct 27 2004, 02:29 PM
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NSX is timeless Group: Members Posts: 2,895 Joined: 26-December 03 From: Indiana Member No.: 395 |
Might be a nice little "niche" market product. I think on some cars like Forrest pointed out it would make sense, like the FBody mustangs
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Oct 27 2004, 02:51 PM
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 SAAB story Group: Members Posts: 6,631 Joined: 7-December 03 From: Raleigh, NC Member No.: 222 Car: 1988 Saab 900 Turbo SPG |
its interesting in the way those electrically driven superchargers are interesting... it will never be mainstream but it's a captivating idea nonetheless.
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Oct 27 2004, 03:06 PM
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 Super Great Guitar Player! Group: Members Posts: 9,188 Joined: 20-October 03 From: Moon, PA Member No.: 132 |
QUOTE(AgaBooga @ Oct 27 2004, 02:29 PM) FBody mustangs HAHAHAHA 
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Oct 27 2004, 03:31 PM
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 The name's ディラン ^_^ Group: Members Posts: 6,272 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Westchester, New York Member No.: 49 |
QUOTE(DakianDelomast @ Oct 27 2004, 02:59 PM) QUOTE(BankieVR6 @ Oct 27 2004, 01:57 PM) heres a better idea. move the turbo back there. then, move the whole ENGINE back there. imagine how sick that would be? rear engine turbo car?..... http://www.iupload.net/102004/tbo2.jpg What you say? [IMG]http://expert.ics.purdue.edu/~pshaw/turboglow.jpg[/IMG Wow, amazing pic. Higher res of something like it? -------------------- [dylan] I'm a bitch in the sense that...
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Oct 27 2004, 04:20 PM
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NSX is timeless Group: Members Posts: 2,895 Joined: 26-December 03 From: Indiana Member No.: 395 |
QUOTE(White RSX @ Oct 27 2004, 06:06 PM) HAHAHAHA I AM a dumbass 
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Oct 27 2004, 05:21 PM
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 Race Driver Group: Members Posts: 4,578 Joined: 26-August 03 From: So Cal Member No.: 14 |
mustangs have REAL turbo kits
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Oct 27 2004, 05:23 PM
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I will stand, or I will fall. But I will not sit. Group: Members Posts: 13,958 Joined: 4-September 03 From: Somewhere between Chicago and Indianapolis Member No.: 58 Car: Miata & RX-7 |
BURN
-------------------- There's an old saying for cars...
Fast, reliable, cheap. Pick two. For rotaries pick one. 1988 Mazda RX-7 TII, 5-spd, LSD, Black 1999 Mazda Miata, 5-spd, Black |
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Oct 27 2004, 05:40 PM
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 The Lord of The Rings Group: Members Posts: 3,950 Joined: 7-July 04 From: Montreal, Quebec Member No.: 899 Car: 2004 Audi RS6 |
This is probably a really stupid question but i was wondering why there's lag with turbochargers and how this sepcific type increases the lag?
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Oct 27 2004, 05:41 PM
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_________ Group: Members Posts: 1,815 Joined: 22-October 03 From: Canada Member No.: 138 |
Who's burnt?
Fbodies have real turbo kits too. Aswell as TT kits. Mustangs have remote mount turbo's? .... .. -------------------- life behind bars
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Oct 27 2004, 05:44 PM
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 and fuck carrots Group: Members Posts: 2,665 Joined: 17-October 03 Member No.: 124 Car: fire truck |
QUOTE(porschedream @ Oct 27 2004, 09:40 PM) This is probably a really stupid question but i was wondering why there's lag with turbochargers and how this sepcific type increases the lag? A turbo has to spool up to produce the power. The time it takes for the turbine to spool is the lag, a bigger turbo is harder to spool up thus creating more lag. -------------------- DS's second Fire/Rescue/EMS guy.
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