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DSCOTY 2010: Sports Overall Tie-breaker
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Boxster Spyder [ 15 ] ** [55.56%]
Gallardo Balboni [ 12 ] ** [44.44%]
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post Apr 12 2010, 05:52 AM
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Hopefully this'll be the end of DSCOTY. Haha.

Porsche Boxster Spyder
Base MSRP:
$61,200
Available Engines: 3.4 liter flat-6 with 320 HP with 273 ft.-lbs of torque
Available Transmissions: 6-speed manual, 7-speed PDK
Available Drivetrains: Rear wheel drive
EPA Fuel Economy: TBA
Curb Weight: 2811-2866 lbs.







Lamborghini Gallardo LP550-2 Valentino Balboni
Base MSRP:
$146,000
Available Engines: 5.2 liter V10 with 550 HP with 398 ft.-lbs
Available Transmissions: 6-speed manual, e-Gear
Available Drivetrains: Rear wheel drive
EPA Fuel Economy: 12 City/20 Highway
Curb Weight: 3042 lbs.





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post Apr 12 2010, 05:58 AM
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This is a really, really tough choice between two epic cars, that'll probably go down as legends. The Boxster is everything a Porsche should be, and almost singe-mindedly crafted to silence the car's detractors.

But the Gallardo, wow, it's something else. Ever since the facelift, it's been an achingly gorgeous car. But shedding pounds, and dropping the AWD have made it the car it always should've been. Hopefully Lambo will learn from this, and make it a regular production model.

However, it must be noted, that I voted for the Gallardo mainly for its stripe.
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post Apr 12 2010, 06:47 AM
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post Apr 12 2010, 06:54 AM
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I'd much rather have the Cayman over the Boxster.

In this case, Mr. Balboni wins.
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post Apr 12 2010, 06:58 AM
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I had to go for the Porsche. The lamborghini, while excedingly brilliant and pure it would seem, just doesn't excite me as much as the spyder. I love the lamborghini but if I had both for a day I would likely take the porsche out first. Plus it's a convertible, that definatly tips the scale towards the porsche.
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post Apr 12 2010, 07:15 AM
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Love 'em both to death, had to go with the more attainable Porsche. Also, frankly, not a fan of the silly stripe on the Balboni...I'm looking forward to a series production RWD Gallardo very intently though!
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post Apr 12 2010, 04:37 PM
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considering that Lamborghini is dropping manual gearboxes... this could be the last chance to own a manual lambo...
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post Apr 12 2010, 06:37 PM
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Lambo took a great car and made it a generic supercar. Porsche.
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post Apr 12 2010, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE(Razor @ Apr 12 2010, 07:37 PM) *
Lambo took a great car and made it a generic supercar. Porsche.

By shaving weight, eliminating understeer, and adding power?

Totally
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post Apr 12 2010, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE(MustangAficionado @ Apr 12 2010, 11:09 PM) *
By shaving weight, eliminating understeer, and adding power?

Totally


I should've added an "IMO"... but really, now it's just another RMR supercar.
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post Apr 12 2010, 07:44 PM
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And with AWD, it would be "just another" AWD, mid-engined supercar...you know like the Veyron, Murcielago, Diablo, Porsche 911 Turbo, GT-R, Audi R8...You're also completely missing the point that when they made it RMR, it got rave reviews about how much sweeter the handling was. And more recently, every review I've read for the AWD Superleggera said it wasn't as nice to drive as the Balboni.

Honestly, sometimes your logic (or lack of it) just baffles me. Your blatant fanboyism for AWD and DSG-like shifts is so extreme, you don't even stop to see if they're improving the car, or making it worse.
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I'm just a proponent of technology.
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As opposed to being a proponent of merit...congratulations.
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post Apr 12 2010, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Apr 12 2010, 11:56 PM) *
As opposed to being a proponent of merit...congratulations.


Thanks.
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post Apr 12 2010, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE(moe @ Apr 12 2010, 10:44 PM) *
And with AWD, it would be "just another" AWD, mid-engined supercar...you know like the Veyron, Murcielago, Diablo, Porsche 911 Turbo, GT-R, Audi R8...You're also completely missing the point that when they made it RMR, it got rave reviews about how much sweeter the handling was. And more recently, every review I've read for the AWD Superleggera said it wasn't as nice to drive as the Balboni.

Honestly, sometimes your logic (or lack of it) just baffles me. Your blatant fanboyism for AWD and DSG-like shifts is so extreme, you don't even stop to see if they're improving the car, or making it worse.

Razor does not know how to use a manual gearbox. Technology is his enzyte.
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post Apr 12 2010, 08:00 PM
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Since when is losing an extra 4%(?) in efficiency and going around the track slower in a heavier car technology?

When said supercar is caught in a blizzard?
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post Apr 12 2010, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE(dukenukem @ Apr 12 2010, 11:59 PM) *
Razor does not know how to use a manual gearbox. Technology is his enzyte.


I've said it before and I'll say it again. I've driven a few manual cars in my life... it seems boring and archaic to me. Any further scene any of you make of this isn't going to change my opinion. Sorry!

A manual would not keep me from buying a car but I'd sure as hell opt for the better transmission in nearly every case (R8 being one of them).
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post Apr 12 2010, 08:08 PM
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Like I said in the original post, I am a huge fan of the "budget porsche track-day-special." This Boxster is the first one for my generation, and I ache to own one more than any other Porsche.

The Lambo is awesome, but is cool not because of what it is, but because of what every other Lambo since Audi took over isn't.
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QUOTE(Razor @ Apr 13 2010, 08:07 AM) *
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I've driven a few manual cars in my life... it seems boring and archaic to me. Any further scene any of you make of this isn't going to change my opinion. Sorry!

A manual would not keep me from buying a car but I'd sure as hell opt for the better transmission in nearly every case (R8 being one of them).


We're not trying to get you to change your opinion (at least I'm not, I just like to poke fun now and again), personal preferences are personal preferences. You just seem to be looking for trouble when you call things like DSG "better" (and I'm not just referring to transmissions, but AWD, and all the other stuff we disagree on). Yes, there are situations when something like PDK or AWD can clearly be considered better by all objective means, but that isn't always the case. There are times when you can't blindly support technology, for technology's sake. The R8, I think, is a very good example of that. I don't think I've heard from a single source yet that the variation of the eGear shift they use is particularly good, or "better" than the manual. Yet you go on calling it the "better" transmission. I'm not saying things are better without technology either. I'll be the first to say that if I had to buy a 997.5 Turbo or an E60 M5, I'd would definitely go with the PDK and SMG (respectively). The manuals just aren't as good on those cars.

Go ahead and favor PDK and AWD if you like, that's your right. But to blindly say they're "better" in scenarios when they clearly aren't is just blind. Heh, I should just call you the DSG Taliban.
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post Apr 13 2010, 05:34 AM
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^Just out of curiosity, isn't the non-manual transmission in the R8 a torque converter automatic?
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