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Mar 27 2009, 01:13 AM
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![]() Banned ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 11,267 Joined: 6-December 04 From: Ontario, Canada Member No.: 1,208 Car: N/A |
![]() ![]() ![]() QUOTE The Mazda 787 and its derivative 787B were Group C sports prototype racing cars built by Mazda for use in the World Sportscar Championship, All Japan Sports Prototype Championship, as well as the 24 Hours of Le Mans from 1990 to 1991. Designed to combine a mixture of the Fédération Internationale du Sport Automobile (FISA) Group C regulations with the International Motor Sports Association (IMSA) GTP regulations, the 787s were the last Wankel rotary-powered racing cars to compete in the World and Japanese championships, using Mazda's R26B engine. Although the 787 and 787B lacked the single lap pace of World Championship competitors such as Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar, and Porsche, as well Japanese Championship competitors Nissan and Toyota, the Mazdas had reliability which allowed them to contend for their respective championships. The reliability of the cars eventually paid off in 1991 when a 787B driven by Johnny Herbert, Volker Weidler, and Bertrand Gachot went on to victory in the 1991 24 Hours of Le Mans. This remains as of 2008[update] the only victory by a Japanese marque as well as the only victory by a car not using a reciprocating engine design. A total of two 787s were constructed in 1990, while three newer specification 787Bs were built in 1991.[1] Race Stats Races: 21 Wins: 1 (1991 24hrs of Le Mans) Poles: 0 Championships: 0 Technical Specifications: Drivetrain: Mid Engine / RWD Engine: Mazda R26B naturally aspirated 2.6L 4-rotor wankel / 700hp @ 9000rpm Transmission: Mazda/Porsche 5-spd manual Weight: 830kg (1831lb) Official Website: N/A Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_787b |
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Mar 27 2009, 07:24 AM
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![]() Marginal Contributions ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,325 Joined: 19-March 05 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,555 |
I couldn't think of a cooler rotary car than the rx-7. You have proven me wrong.
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Mar 27 2009, 07:53 AM
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![]() Race Driver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,543 Joined: 2-October 07 From: Canada Member No.: 4,080 Car: 2009 Subaru Legacy |
I think these were banned after they won.
I'm a little biased since a good part of my youth was spent in a rotary, but these cars are very cool IMO. |
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Mar 27 2009, 10:15 AM
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![]() Banned ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 11,267 Joined: 6-December 04 From: Ontario, Canada Member No.: 1,208 Car: N/A |
These cars specifically weren't banned. They banned non-reciprocating engines.
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Mar 27 2009, 10:27 AM
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Pit Mechanic ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,582 Joined: 13-February 05 From: Germany Member No.: 1,485 Car: Caterham Seven |
I think we should not vote on race cars because they are inherently cool. I mean even the slowest Minardi F1 from the 90s is an absolute bad ass machine from hell compared to any high priced penis enlargements living in the car dealer's glass bunkers.
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Mar 27 2009, 10:47 AM
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![]() Efini ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,396 Joined: 8-October 04 From: Oxford Member No.: 1,083 Car: 2005 Seat Leon Cupra R |
I always thought that, on the old cool wall I didn't bother voting on race cars.
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Mar 27 2009, 12:00 PM
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![]() Banned ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 11,267 Joined: 6-December 04 From: Ontario, Canada Member No.: 1,208 Car: N/A |
I think we should not vote on race cars because they are inherently cool. I mean even the slowest Minardi F1 from the 90s is an absolute bad ass machine from hell compared to any high priced penis enlargements living in the car dealer's glass bunkers. I disagree. The Minardi sucked. It was a bad race car. In my eyes, that's not very cool. What's so cool about something that sucks at what it does? I don't see anything cool in that. Just to keep spam to a minimum if you want to discuss it take it to the Cool Wall feedback thread. I'd rather keep the individual car threads free of debates that doesn't include the specific car at hand. |
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Mar 29 2010, 04:45 AM
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Dirty Oil Filter Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 29-March 10 Member No.: 5,358 |
The Mazda 787 and its derivative 787B were Group C sports prototype racing cars built by Mazda for use in the World Sportscar Championship, All Japan Sports Prototype Championship, as well as the 24 Hours of Le Mans from 1990 to 1991. Designed to combine a mixture of the Fédération Internationale du Sport Automobile (FISA) Group C regulations with the International Motor Sports Association (IMSA) GTP regulations, the 787s were the last Wankel rotary-powered racing cars to compete in the World and Japanese championships, using Mazda's R26B engine.
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Mar 29 2010, 05:37 AM
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Mar 29 2010, 11:00 AM
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Race Driver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,505 Joined: 10-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 1,037 |
The Mazda 787 and its derivative 787B were Group C sports prototype racing cars built by Mazda for use in the World Sportscar Championship, All Japan Sports Prototype Championship, as well as the 24 Hours of Le Mans from 1990 to 1991. Designed to combine a mixture of the Fédération Internationale du Sport Automobile (FISA) Group C regulations with the International Motor Sports Association (IMSA) GTP regulations, the 787s were the last Wankel rotary-powered racing cars to compete in the World and Japanese championships, using Mazda's R26B engine. Although the 787 and 787B lacked the single lap pace of World Championship competitors such as Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar, and Porsche, as well Japanese Championship competitors Nissan and Toyota, the Mazdas had reliability which allowed them to contend for their respective championships. The reliability of the cars eventually paid off in 1991 when a 787B driven by Johnny Herbert, Volker Weidler, and Bertrand Gachot went on to victory in the 1991 24 Hours of Le Mans. This remains as of 2008[update] the only victory by a Japanese marque as well as the only victory by a car not using a reciprocating engine design. A total of two 787s were constructed in 1990, while three newer specification 787Bs were built in 1991.[1] ...this game isn't very fun. |
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Mar 30 2010, 04:43 PM
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![]() VTEC yo! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,502 Joined: 3-March 06 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 2,309 Car: 2007 Honda S2000 |
Although the 787 and 787B lacked the single lap pace of World Championship competitors such as Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar, and Porsche, as well Japanese Championship competitors Nissan and Toyota, the Mazdas had reliability which allowed them to contend for their respective championships. The reliability of the cars eventually paid off in 1991 when a 787B driven by Johnny Herbert, Volker Weidler, and Bertrand Gachot went on to victory in the 1991 24 Hours of Le Mans. This remains as of 2008[update] the only victory by a Japanese marque as well as the only victory by a car not using a reciprocating engine design. A total of two 787s were constructed in 1990, while three newer specification 787Bs were built in 1991.[1] ...this game isn't very fun. At its heart, the initial design of the 787 was an evolution of the 767 and 767B designs that had been used by Mazda in 1988 and 1989. Many mechanical elements of the 767 were carried over by Nigel Stroud when he designed the 787,[2] but with some notable exceptions. Foremost was the replacement of the 767's 13J Wankel rotary engine. In its place, the brand new R26B was installed. The custom-built R26B featured a nearly identical layout and displacement, but included new design elements such as continuously variable intakes and three spark plugs per rotor instead of the 20B's two. This allowed for a maximum power output of 700 hp (520 kW). Porsche's five-speed gearbox was retained. Other modifications made to the 787's design included a relocation of the radiators. Initially placed beside the cockpit on the 767, a new single radiator was integrated into the nose of the 787. Air would flow from the blunt nose of the car, underneath the bodywork and through the radiator, before exiting at the top of the nose. A Gurney flap was affixed to the radiator exit to increase front end downforce. This new radiator location also meant a redesign of the doors of the car, where the old radiator design had been located. The intake in front of the door and exit behind were no longer necessary and were thus not included, giving the 787 a smoother bodywork design on top. To aid in rear engine and brake cooling, intakes were placed on the side bodywork, immediately above the exhaust cooling vents. As before, Stroud's monocoque design was built from carbon and kevlar by Advanced Composite Technology in the United Kingdom. Carbon fiber body panels were affixed to the two initial chassis that were built in 1990. |
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Mar 30 2010, 05:57 PM
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![]() IT SLIDES! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 6,323 Joined: 5-February 07 From: Maine Member No.: 3,670 Car: Volkswagen R32 Mk V |
At its heart, the initial design of the 787 was an evolution of the 767 and 767B designs that had been used by Mazda in 1988 and 1989. Many mechanical elements of the 767 were carried over by Nigel Stroud when he designed the 787,[2] but with some notable exceptions. Foremost was the replacement of the 767's 13J Wankel rotary engine. In its place, the brand new R26B was installed. The custom-built R26B featured a nearly identical layout and displacement, but included new design elements such as continuously variable intakes and three spark plugs per rotor instead of the 20B's two. This allowed for a maximum power output of 700 hp (520 kW). Porsche's five-speed gearbox was retained. Other modifications made to the 787's design included a relocation of the radiators. Initially placed beside the cockpit on the 767, a new single radiator was integrated into the nose of the 787. Air would flow from the blunt nose of the car, underneath the bodywork and through the radiator, before exiting at the top of the nose. A Gurney flap was affixed to the radiator exit to increase front end downforce. This new radiator location also meant a redesign of the doors of the car, where the old radiator design had been located. The intake in front of the door and exit behind were no longer necessary and were thus not included, giving the 787 a smoother bodywork design on top. To aid in rear engine and brake cooling, intakes were placed on the side bodywork, immediately above the exhaust cooling vents. As before, Stroud's monocoque design was built from carbon and kevlar by Advanced Composite Technology in the United Kingdom. Carbon fiber body panels were affixed to the two initial chassis that were built in 1990. Following the 1990 season, Mazda continued development of the 787 chassis in order to make improvements on its pace and reliability. One major development was the intake system for the rotaries. In the past, Mazda had developed variable length telescopic intake runners to optimize engine power and torque for varying rpms. For 1991, the system became continuously variable, rather than previous versions that had steps for different engine ranges. The 787B's onboard ECU controlled the action of the telescopic intake. Three new 787Bs were built for 1991, while the two existing 787s were also upgraded with the new intakes. |
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Oct 27 2010, 09:28 PM
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Dirty Oil Filter Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 25-October 10 Member No.: 5,872 Car: Mazda 3 |
At its heart, the initial design of the 787 was an evolution of the 767 and 767B designs that had been used by Mazda in 1988 and 1989. Many mechanical elements of the 767 were carried over by Nigel Stroud when he designed the 787,[2] but with some notable exceptions. Foremost was the replacement of the 767's 13J Wankel rotary engine. In its place, the brand new R26B was installed. The custom-built R26B featured a nearly identical layout and displacement, but included new design elements such as continuously variable intakes and three spark plugs per rotor instead of the 20B's two. This allowed for a maximum power output of 700 hp (520 kW). Porsche's five-speed gearbox was retained. Other modifications made to the 787's design included a relocation of the radiators. Initially placed beside the cockpit on the 767, a new single radiator was integrated into the nose of the 787. Air would flow from the blunt nose of the car, underneath the bodywork and through the radiator, before exiting at the top of the nose. A Gurney flap was affixed to the radiator exit to increase front end downforce. This new radiator location also meant a redesign of the doors of the car, where the old radiator design had been located. The intake in front of the door and exit behind were no longer necessary and were thus not included, giving the 787 a smoother bodywork design on top. To aid in rear engine and brake cooling, intakes were placed on the side bodywork, immediately above the exhaust cooling vents. As before, Stroud's monocoque design was built from carbon and kevlar by Advanced Composite Technology in the United Kingdom. Carbon fiber body panels were affixed to the two initial chassis that were built in 1990. The modification of the Automotive Radiator that was used in the 787 was quite the key here in the technology that they used. In this way, you might see the things that have been done for the evolution phase in order to let things go thru the flow. But since it is now banned, I think new technology would be on it's way. |
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Sep 30 2011, 03:07 AM
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Dirty Oil Filter Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 8-September 11 Member No.: 6,642 Car: Volkswegan |
It will be great if you post some pics of it here.
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Oct 5 2011, 02:08 PM
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