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post Oct 30 2007, 08:16 PM
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http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/autoshows/...dradually1.html
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post Nov 6 2007, 07:03 AM
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Oh my. Toyota really wants to try everything don't they. How about some lightweight RWD sports cars instead?
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post Nov 6 2007, 07:59 AM
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Well, at least you can't say it's boring.
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post Nov 6 2007, 12:51 PM
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It looks like a Dodge.
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post Nov 6 2007, 12:52 PM
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'bout time Toyota offered something for the serious truck user.
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post Nov 6 2007, 01:59 PM
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Yeah it is, hopefully it won't have too many silly shiny metal bits and other concepty parts to make it not a viable "big" truck.
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post Nov 6 2007, 06:42 PM
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I'm a sucker for big dually diesels. This does pretty well.
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post Nov 6 2007, 06:44 PM
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This is definitely the next logical step for Toyota trucks. Their marketing is really aiming at the people who really need trucks like contractors. (At least in the USA; and more specificaly, the midwest.)
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post Nov 8 2007, 07:05 PM
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It'd look good with an M2HB in the back. I keed I keed, but seriously.
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post Nov 8 2007, 07:39 PM
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i love those rims.


thats about it
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post Nov 9 2007, 11:21 AM
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QUOTE(fiber optic @ Nov 6 2007, 12:51 PM) *
It looks like a Dodge.


I always maintained that the new Tundra looked like a slightly-melted Ram.
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post Nov 9 2007, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(Mitlov @ Nov 9 2007, 02:21 PM) *
I always maintained that the new Tundra looked like a slightly-melted Ram.


"slightly-melted Ram" That describes it well. thumbs_up.gif
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post Nov 9 2007, 11:29 AM
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it sounds to me like the Hino motor is a bit behind the other powerplants that it would compete with. I mean 8.0L and 300bhp and 600lb-ft? Shoot.
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post Nov 9 2007, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(Mr b00st @ Nov 9 2007, 11:29 AM) *
it sounds to me like the Hino motor is a bit behind the other powerplants that it would compete with. I mean 8.0L and 300bhp and 600lb-ft? Shoot.


Yeah, the Cummins diesel in the Ram 3500 is 6.7L, 350 hp, 650 ft-lbs, as does the 6.4L in the Ford Super Duty, and the 6.6L Duramax in the Silverado 3500 makes 365 horsepower, 660 ft-lbs. With 20% more displacement than any of the domestics, you wouldn't expect the Toyota to be well below its competition in both power and torque.
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post Nov 9 2007, 12:06 PM
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They did very well with the new Tundra, but I'd think here it's an even more important battle. Isn't that the reason to buy one of these trucks?
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post Nov 9 2007, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(Mr b00st @ Nov 9 2007, 02:29 PM) *
it sounds to me like the Hino motor is a bit behind the other powerplants that it would compete with. I mean 8.0L and 300bhp and 600lb-ft? Shoot.



QUOTE(Mitlov @ Nov 9 2007, 02:33 PM) *
Yeah, the Cummins diesel in the Ram 3500 is 6.7L, 350 hp, 650 ft-lbs, as does the 6.4L in the Ford Super Duty, and the 6.6L Duramax in the Silverado 3500 makes 365 horsepower, 660 ft-lbs. With 20% more displacement than any of the domestics, you wouldn't expect the Toyota to be well below its competition in both power and torque.



It's only an I6. I'd say it's doin' all right. Remember that output per unit displacement comparisons don't tell the whole story.
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post Nov 9 2007, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE(Synesthesia @ Nov 9 2007, 12:06 PM) *
They did very well with the new Tundra, but I'd think here it's an even more important battle. Isn't that the reason to buy one of these trucks?


I'm not so sure they did. The Tundra makes good numbers on paper, but reviewers have noted that the Silverado has a nicer interior and is a more pleasant daily driver (since when has a GM beat a Toyota in those categories?). In addition, the Tundra had a very embarrassing issue with snapping camshafts in the 5.7L V8 (and Toyota truck buyers value reliability above all else). It has been noted that the metal in the bed is too thin, so it's easily damaged. Finally, it's recently come out that the tailgate isn't very strong, and may snap off while you load or unload an ATV or something similar. Toyota now recommends removing the tailgate before putting a motorcycle or ATV in back, if I recall correctly. And that's something you should never have to do in a half-ton.
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post Nov 9 2007, 01:02 PM
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QUOTE(Mitlov @ Nov 9 2007, 03:34 PM) *
I'm not so sure they did. The Tundra makes good numbers on paper, but reviewers have noted that the Silverado has a nicer interior and is a more pleasant daily driver (since when has a GM beat a Toyota in those categories?). In addition, the Tundra had a very embarrassing issue with snapping camshafts in the 5.7L V8 (and Toyota truck buyers value reliability above all else). It has been noted that the metal in the bed is too thin, so it's easily damaged. Finally, it's recently come out that the tailgate isn't very strong, and may snap off while you load or unload an ATV or something similar. Toyota now recommends removing the tailgate before putting a motorcycle or ATV in back, if I recall correctly. And that's something you should never have to do in a half-ton.


They've also had a torque converter problem with the new 6-speed transmission. Link
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post Nov 9 2007, 01:44 PM
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QUOTE(fiber optic @ Nov 9 2007, 12:32 PM) *
It's only an I6. I'd say it's doin' all right. Remember that output per unit displacement comparisons don't tell the whole story.


Even excluding the displacement issue, every other truck in the segment makes 350-365 horsepower. This makes 300. Every other truck makes 650-660 ft-lbs. This makes 600.

And for the record, the Cummins in the Dodge is also an inline-six.
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post Nov 10 2007, 07:13 AM
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QUOTE(Mitlov @ Nov 9 2007, 03:34 PM) *
I'm not so sure they did. The Tundra makes good numbers on paper, but reviewers have noted that the Silverado has a nicer interior and is a more pleasant daily driver (since when has a GM beat a Toyota in those categories?). In addition, the Tundra had a very embarrassing issue with snapping camshafts in the 5.7L V8 (and Toyota truck buyers value reliability above all else). It has been noted that the metal in the bed is too thin, so it's easily damaged. Finally, it's recently come out that the tailgate isn't very strong, and may snap off while you load or unload an ATV or something similar. Toyota now recommends removing the tailgate before putting a motorcycle or ATV in back, if I recall correctly. And that's something you should never have to do in a half-ton.


I was just referring to the power/torque numbers.
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