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Volkswagen Passat CC
How cool is the VW Passat CC?
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clarkma5
post Nov 16 2008, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE(moethepaki @ Nov 16 2008, 01:52 PM) *
Uh overkill?


Just making a point.
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post Nov 17 2008, 04:37 AM
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QUOTE(Razor @ Nov 16 2008, 10:26 AM) *
Because they cost the same. rolleyes.gif


You can pick up a used 06 CLS500 for around $35k. The CC Sport base starts at $26,790 and the "Luxury" starts at $31,990. So if you take the Luxury, and you equip it like a fairly basic CLS (Leather, Nav, Premium Sound) your at $36,255... and you only get half as many cylinders and 100 less hp. Thats a lot of money to pay for a FWD 4-cylinder. Of course, the overall ownership (per year, and throughout the car's life) is going to be substantially higher on the Mercedes (insurance, fuel, repairs!).

QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Nov 16 2008, 01:13 PM) *
The list of awards that the 2.0T has earned disagrees with you.

International 1.8 to 2.0 liter engine of the year 2008: http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/winners_08/18_2.html
International 1.8 to 2.0 liter engine of the year 2007: http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/previous04.html
International 1.8 to 2.0 liter engine of the year 2006: http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/previous04.html
International 1.8 to 2.0 liter engine of the year 2005: http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/previous04.html
Ward's 10 best engines list from 2006 to 2008: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward's_10_Best_Engines (also note that the predecessor 1.8T is on the list in 1998, 2002, and 2003).

Not to mention the awards for cars that use the 2.0T:
Car & Driver 10 best list: 2008 VW GTI: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_li...gti_10best_cars
Car & Driver 10 best list: 2007 VW GTI: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_li...gti_10best_cars
Car & Driver 10 best list: 2006 Audi A3 2.0T: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_li..._0t_10best_cars

Edmunds 2008 Consumer most wanted for the Audi TT Coupe and Roadster and VW Passat Wagon: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/consumersto...2008/index.html

Edmunds 2007 Consumer most wanted for the Audi A3 and Audi A4 Avant: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/consumersmo...2007/index.html

Edmunds 2006 Consumer most wanted for the Audi A3: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/consumersmo...2006/index.html

Edmunds 2007 Editors most wanted for the Audi A4 Avant: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/mostwanted/2007/index.html

Edmunds 2006 Editors most wanted for the Audi A4 Avant: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/mostwanted/2006/index.html

Motortrend's 2006 Car Of The Year Finalist - Audi A3: http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/11...i_a3/index.html

And that's after searching for about fifteen minutes...I know there are tons of awards lurking out there for this engine, its predecessor (the 1.8T) and all the cars that both of these engines get implemented in.


Oh GOD... well if the media likes it, I suppose I just love it! You are so right Clarkma5, thank you for correcting my opinions of your beloved VW! What ever would we have done around here without your arrogance? I hope you aren't such a smartass to you mother.
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post Nov 17 2008, 07:56 AM
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...wasn't trying to be a smartass? You have to admit it's pretty rare for something in the automotive world to receive as much praise as the 2.0T has. You're still entitled to your opinion but I still have a completely valid counterpoint. No need to be an asshole about it...
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post Nov 17 2008, 08:34 AM
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I saw one in the flesh yesterday...looks very awkward, and more importantly, very un-VW-ish IMO.

It's like VW is being pulled in two distinct directions, one toward the Sirocco (sp?) and the other toward the Eos.

This screams Eos sedan to me.
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post Nov 17 2008, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE(maxima302 @ Nov 17 2008, 04:37 AM) *
You can pick up a used 06 CLS500 for around $35k. The CC Sport base starts at $26,790 and the "Luxury" starts at $31,990. So if you take the Luxury, and you equip it like a fairly basic CLS (Leather, Nav, Premium Sound) your at $36,255... and you only get half as many cylinders and 100 less hp. Thats a lot of money to pay for a FWD 4-cylinder. Of course, the overall ownership (per year, and throughout the car's life) is going to be substantially higher on the Mercedes (insurance, fuel, repairs!).


You always get a whole lot more shopping used than shopping new. Has nothing to do with the CC specifically. Heck, you can get a three-year-old G35 for about the price of a Civic Si...does that mean the Civic Si is overpriced?
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post Nov 26 2008, 02:55 PM
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Just want to point out that the 2.0 isn't the only engine option if memory serves correct. I believe you can get it with the 3.2 .:R32 engine which if the 2.0t is jerky then you may like the larger displacement. At any rate I am curious what the poster said about the jerkiness compares this to....meaning the CLS??????? I hope not. It's not a fair comparison by any means. K, that's enough rambling. I just normally equate jerkiness to bad driving.
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post Nov 29 2008, 03:48 PM
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The car is great to ride in and drive. It has a great premium feel as well. I love the details in the interior, especially the way the seats are covered. I have one problem with it though. The tail-lights are hideous.
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post Dec 5 2008, 01:52 AM
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QUOTE(Mitlov @ Nov 17 2008, 06:36 PM) *
You always get a whole lot more shopping used than shopping new. Has nothing to do with the CC specifically. Heck, you can get a three-year-old G35 for about the price of a Civic Si...does that mean the Civic Si is overpriced?


Obviously, which is why I stated in my original post that I would take the same amount of money and spend it on a used CLS.


QUOTE(Tifun @ Nov 26 2008, 02:55 PM) *
Just want to point out that the 2.0 isn't the only engine option if memory serves correct. I believe you can get it with the 3.2 .:R32 engine which if the 2.0t is jerky then you may like the larger displacement. At any rate I am curious what the poster said about the jerkiness compares this to....meaning the CLS??????? I hope not. It's not a fair comparison by any means. K, that's enough rambling. I just normally equate jerkiness to bad driving.


Yes you can get the 3.2 VR6, but that starts at a rather hefty $38,000 USD. I'm not saying the CC is a bad car per say, but I do think VW has priced this car out of the market (although its segment is fairly undefined). In my opinion, the 2.0T is fine for the Golf/Jetta, but its too unrefined for the CC. It sounds very 4-cylinder-ish, and turbo-4s just aren't as smooth as a N/A 6-cylinder. I actually rode in another Passat with the VR6 and that engine is much much better, very smooth and well fitted for the top-of-the-range Passat.

The interior of the CC is very nice, however I don't like the gearshift design. They should have changed that part out with something a little nicer looking for that model specifically.
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post Dec 6 2008, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE(maxima302 @ Dec 5 2008, 01:52 AM) *
Obviously, which is why I stated in my original post that I would take the same amount of money and spend it on a used CLS.
Yes you can get the 3.2 VR6, but that starts at a rather hefty $38,000 USD. I'm not saying the CC is a bad car per say, but I do think VW has priced this car out of the market (although its segment is fairly undefined). In my opinion, the 2.0T is fine for the Golf/Jetta, but its too unrefined for the CC. It sounds very 4-cylinder-ish, and turbo-4s just aren't as smooth as a N/A 6-cylinder. I actually rode in another Passat with the VR6 and that engine is much much better, very smooth and well fitted for the top-of-the-range Passat.


I can understand your view. I however see the economic benefit from it as well. Maybe I am biased, but I think the 2.0t is a very well round smooth and decently powered engine that matches well for form and general comfort compared to lets say the Altima 4-banger which is in the same playing field. I think the CC is an excellent bargain. Also The Passat you rode/drove most likely was the V6 not the VR6. I think the B4 was the only one up until the CC to get the VR6.
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post Dec 7 2008, 02:24 AM
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No Tifun, all B6 passats get the VR6 (all 3.6 liters in the US, I think they offer the 3.2 and 3.6 in europe).
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