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2009 NISSAN GT-R (R35)
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post Mar 12 2009, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE(Mitlov @ Mar 11 2009, 07:25 AM) *
Considering that a new transaxle is 30% of the list price...no. Raspberry.gif


I wouldn't be launch controlling mine to death though still comfortably fast enough without the need for that! thumbs_up.gif
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post Mar 12 2009, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE(speedyK @ Mar 12 2009, 03:29 PM) *
I wouldn't be launch controlling mine to death though – still comfortably fast enough without the need for that! thumbs_up.gif


We clearly think on the same wavelength. If Nissan says don't do it, but gives you the option to and you still do it, how is that different from committing some form of crime? You're not supposed to, but you still can, and if you do there will most likely be punishments of some sort, whether it's a repair bill or jail time. If you're gonna be dumb, pay the price.
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post Mar 12 2009, 11:45 AM
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Razor, your thinking constantly astounds me. If you want to make an analogy between committing a crime and using launch control, take a second and please tell me the ethical ramifications of using launch control in a car versus, say, breaking and entering.
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post Mar 12 2009, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Mar 12 2009, 03:45 PM) *
Razor, your thinking constantly astounds me. If you want to make an analogy between committing a crime and using launch control, take a second and please tell me the ethical ramifications of using launch control in a car versus, say, breaking and entering.


Let's make it less extreme then, just for you. Mommy says don't take cookies from the cookie jar. You can, and you do. You don't get cookies for a week as a result. Better?
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post Mar 12 2009, 12:06 PM
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No, because the consequences don't compare. The consequences of voiding your nissan warranty and destroying your transaxle is $18,000 + labor to repair it. There's a reason I chose breaking and entering, as a crime it's of at least somewhat equal consequence based on how big the fines are and so on.

The idea behind the VDC thing is that Nissan not only gave you the "void warranty button" to push, but they so aggressively touted the car's performance that they were basically selling the car based on advertising a feature that you can't use. That's what pisses me off about the whole launch control thing.

Beyond that, I'm irritated that Nissan is selling a performance car that requires the driver to leave the electronic aids on. Every other performance car that does that is frowned upon by enthusiasts for good reason, but this thing gets a pass and I don't think that makes sense.
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post Mar 12 2009, 12:10 PM
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How about binge drinking? We all know it can have serious repercussions but im fairly sure we have all done it?
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post Mar 12 2009, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Mar 12 2009, 04:06 PM) *
Beyond that, I'm irritated that Nissan is selling a performance car that requires the driver to leave the electronic aids on. Every other performance car that does that is frowned upon by enthusiasts for good reason, but this thing gets a pass and I don't think that makes sense.


That's fair enough. I guess what it comes down to is, they didn't design it for people like you. They designed it for people like SpeedyK and myself.
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post Mar 12 2009, 12:18 PM
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I find that insulting to speedyK.
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post Mar 12 2009, 12:36 PM
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umm...has no one heard of the new programming? it's faster, and it doesn't even need launch control. there's an article on how insideline did it to their long-term gt-r.
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post Mar 12 2009, 12:39 PM
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Yeah I know of it. It doesn't fix pretty much everything that's wrong with the car (the huge weight and large size, the reliance on driver aids, the fron-a-pickup-truck interior, the lack of a manual gearbox option), nor does it fix the debacle that was Nissan's release of this vehicle to the public.

Anyway, my strong dislike of this vehicle is blatantly obvious so I should stop bothering. It saddens me that this is so readily accepted by enthusiasts as a great car when to me it stands for so many of the things wrong with modern performance...too big, too heavy, too complex.
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post Mar 12 2009, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Mar 12 2009, 01:39 PM) *
Yeah I know of it. It doesn't fix pretty much everything that's wrong with the car (the huge weight and large size, the reliance on driver aids, the fron-a-pickup-truck interior, the lack of a manual gearbox option), nor does it fix the debacle that was Nissan's release of this vehicle to the public.


But at least it's safe! ...I kid, I kid...

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Anyway, my strong dislike of this vehicle is blatantly obvious so I should stop bothering. It saddens me that this is so readily accepted by enthusiasts as a great car when to me it stands for so many of the things wrong with modern performance...too big, too heavy, too complex.


But different enthusiasts can enjoy different types of performance motor vehicles, right? There's no one "right way" to do modern performance, is there? Some people love muscle cars, some people love rally cars, some people love sportbikes, some people love Caterhams, some people love 500-horsepower supersedans, and some people love manga-inspired technology-loaded road-rockets. I think all of these genres are legitimate takes on modern performance.

If you don't like this particular genre (EVO X, GT-R, etc), then feel free to not like it. But don't be saddened that others do.
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post Mar 12 2009, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Mar 12 2009, 04:18 PM) *
I find that insulting to speedyK.


Hardy har har, fucker. Just because we both like the way this car works?
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post Mar 13 2009, 02:27 AM
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QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Mar 12 2009, 11:39 PM) *
Yeah I know of it. It doesn't fix pretty much everything that's wrong with the car (the huge weight and large size, the reliance on driver aids, the fron-a-pickup-truck interior, the lack of a manual gearbox option), nor does it fix the debacle that was Nissan's release of this vehicle to the public.

Anyway, my strong dislike of this vehicle is blatantly obvious so I should stop bothering. It saddens me that this is so readily accepted by enthusiasts as a great car when to me it stands for so many of the things wrong with modern performance...too big, too heavy, too complex.


i think it's partly the love it/hate it reactions, and the controversy surrounding the car that makes it so damned cool
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post Mar 13 2009, 07:23 AM
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QUOTE(moe @ Mar 13 2009, 03:27 AM) *
i think it's partly the love it/hate it reactions, and the controversy surrounding the car that makes it so damned cool


QUOTE(Mitlov @ Jun 25 2008, 04:46 PM) *
The fact that the GT-R continually sparks this degree of anger and distrust among "old schoolers" and "purists" makes it even cooler in my mind...it's iconoclasm on four wheels.


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post Mar 14 2009, 06:43 AM
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QUOTE(moe @ Mar 13 2009, 11:27 AM) *
i think it's partly the love it/hate it reactions, and the controversy surrounding the car that makes it so damned cool

If you think that the car is cool especially because others think of it as an ugly and overweight portaloo then your definition of coolness is fundamentally different from mine.
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post Mar 14 2009, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(Uwe @ Mar 14 2009, 10:43 AM) *
If you think that the car is cool especially because others think of it as an ugly and overweight portaloo then your definition of coolness is fundamentally different from mine.


Just that it's contested. Would you think the same if your beloved Porsches were though of in the same way?
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post Mar 14 2009, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(Razor @ Mar 14 2009, 07:18 PM) *
Just that it's contested. Would you think the same if your beloved Porsches were though of in the same way?

Yes I would think the same. It doesn't make a car cool if it has a lot of fanboys. Neither does it make it cool as well if it "continually sparks this degree of anger and distrust among [insert category here]" as Mitlov likes to say. Coolness has nothing to do with these things.
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post Mar 15 2009, 10:17 AM
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coolness is entirely subjective, and impossible to define. stop trying.
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post Mar 15 2009, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE(moe @ Mar 15 2009, 07:17 PM) *
coolness is entirely subjective
I never denied that.

QUOTE(moe @ Mar 15 2009, 07:17 PM) *
and impossible to define
No. Everyone can define it for himself.

QUOTE(moe @ Mar 15 2009, 07:17 PM) *
stop trying.
What exactly?
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post Mar 16 2009, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE(Uwe @ Mar 14 2009, 12:08 PM) *
It doesn't make a car cool if it has a lot of fanboys.


... then we should shut down this forum, because there are so many VW "fanboys" here its ridiculous. God forbid anybody says anything bad about the Golf GTi. rolleyes.gif
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