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> 5th gen VW GTI released!, Looks a lot like the concept...
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post Sep 1 2004, 10:10 AM
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It will be officially introduced at the Paris Auto Show, but for now VW has released pictures of the production model. It has a 2.0 liter, 200 HP turbocharged direct-injection inline-4 with 207 ft.-lbs. of torque, and VW claims a 0-60 time of 7.2 seconds for 6-speed models and 6.9 for DSG models (although we all know how conservative VW is on 0-60...the GTI MkIV 1.8T is claimed to do 0-60 in 7.5, but it does it in 6.5; the VR6 is claimed to do it 7.7 but does it in 6.4, etc.)











So although it doesn't look nearly as good as the 4th gen (which was/is design perfection IMO), it certainly looks to be a better car overall, especially as VW claims they're going to try to "recapture the magic of the original GTI"...yeap. Now I just wanna see interior pics to see if they kept the magnificent Concept interior for production too...

Original VWVortex Article w/ VW press release
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post Sep 1 2004, 10:19 AM
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Ooooooo direct injection? Will the US finally get some?
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post Sep 1 2004, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(DakianDelomast @ Sep 1 2004, 10:19 AM)
Ooooooo direct injection? Will the US finally get some?

The US will definitely be getting this engine in both the GTI and the Audi A3. What I like most about the FSI system is that it allows the engine to run boost on pump gas with a 10.5:1 compression ratio...which not only means it's gonna have more power, it's gonna have much better off-boost characteristics!
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post Sep 1 2004, 10:29 AM
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Duh. Direct injection is the wave of the future and everyone but the US has gotten to enjoy it.
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post Sep 1 2004, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(DakianDelomast @ Sep 1 2004, 10:29 AM)
Duh. Direct injection is the wave of the future and everyone but the US has gotten to enjoy it.

We get direct injection in VW TDIs, and I think Isuzu's 3.5 liter V6 is also DI.
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post Sep 1 2004, 10:42 AM
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No gas engines are Direct injection at the moment. All diesels are clark I assumed you knew that tongue.gif
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post Sep 1 2004, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE(DakianDelomast @ Sep 1 2004, 10:42 AM)
No gas engines are Direct injection at the moment. All diesels are clark I assumed you knew that tongue.gif

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NEW YORK, New York - The editors of Popular Science magazine have honored Isuzu with a prestigious 2003 "Best of What's New" Award for its 3.5-liter direct-injection V6 gasoline engine. The engine-introduced earlier this fall as standard equipment on the 2004 Isuzu Axiom and optional on the 2004 Isuzu Rodeo-is the first direct-injection gasoline engine available on any sport utility vehicle in the U.S. market.


Ha! No gas DI engines indeed...
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post Sep 1 2004, 10:48 AM
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Bah when's the last time that I cared about something Isuzu did.



Yeah I know I got owned.
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post Sep 1 2004, 10:51 AM
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Wow and the rims dont look like they are 4 feet tall as it does in the UK website!
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post Sep 1 2004, 11:29 AM
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Are we going to stop arguing about direct injection and actually talk about the car?
Looks pretty good if you ask me, but it's not powerful enough to play with some of the hotter hatchbacks, not enough power and it's too heavy...
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I guess from a design aspect, the MKVI should be hot The MKII is awesome, the MKIII sucks, and the MKIV was perfect. The design of the new one looks like another miss to me. I"m glad they turbo'd the 2.0, though. smile.gif
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post Sep 1 2004, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE(Mellender17 @ Sep 1 2004, 12:29 PM)
Are we going to stop arguing about direct injection and actually talk about the car?
Looks pretty good if you ask me, but it's not powerful enough to play with some of the hotter hatchbacks, not enough power and it's too heavy...

The basic GTI 2.0T actually has a lot of power for its price point...it's cheaper than cars like the Focus RS, Seat Leon Cupra R, and the like...besides, for those who want more power, the 250 HP AWD VR6 model is pretty much inevitable at this point.

200 HP is just the base model, in other words!
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post Sep 1 2004, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Sep 1 2004, 11:34 AM)
QUOTE(Mellender17 @ Sep 1 2004, 12:29 PM)
Are we going to stop arguing about direct injection and actually talk about the car?
Looks pretty good if you ask me, but it's not powerful enough to play with some of the hotter hatchbacks, not enough power and it's too heavy...

The basic GTI 2.0T actually has a lot of power for its price point...it's cheaper than cars like the Focus RS, Seat Leon Cupra R, and the like...besides, for those who want more power, the 250 HP AWD VR6 model is pretty much inevitable at this point.

200 HP is just the base model, in other words!

Great, can't wait for the next VW-R golf! Perhaps a R38? Anywho, how much was that GTi 'base model' again? 15,995 would be good value over here but I think the Golf is greatly overpriced, it's no longer the every-family hatchback, more a posh hatch for upper-middle class families over here in the UK.
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post Sep 1 2004, 11:39 AM
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Yeah, the Golf is getting more expensive and luxurious...no clue on UK price, but here I think the base Golf (with the 2.5 liter I5) will cost about $18k and the GTI 2.0T should go for something like $23k or so, both of which are about $3k higher than the outgoing MkIV models.
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post Sep 1 2004, 11:40 AM
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Cool, should become my hot hatch of choice over the Civic Type-R. Liking your signiture by the way Clark!
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post Sep 1 2004, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(Mellender17 @ Sep 1 2004, 12:40 PM)
Liking your signiture by the way Clark!

I was wondering when somebody was gonna notice it cool.gif
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post Sep 1 2004, 12:51 PM
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oooh i like it

cept the almost usless honeycomb intake is pretty bad
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post Sep 1 2004, 12:56 PM
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i'm really digging that red strip on the front.
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post Sep 1 2004, 12:58 PM
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Hehehehe I would still get a dodge SRT-4 and with the 4 grand I save I could get the 300 hp Mopar kit. tongue.gif
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post Sep 1 2004, 10:25 PM
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More random news:

I've been reading VWVortex, and, at least according to the UK specs, the new GTI V 2.0T will weigh in at 2850 pounds, which puts it at 100 pounds lighter than the MkIV GTI 1.8T, while having the power boost, a standard 6-speed manual, and more comfy goodies standard...I'd still prefer less standard features to bring the weight down further, but still, woo!

Also, in addition to the 200 HP gas turbo, europe will be getting a 160 HP 2.0 TDI GTI down the road.
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