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daniele fontanin
post Feb 25 2011, 09:30 PM
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Guys, I would like to have some info about AB.
Here in Italy it is not simple to find or order AB because of the shipment from US...as you maybe know it is not sure for us in Italy to recive elements from US. We have a 20% tax over the price that we payed for the object...and it is possible that the object will be lost in the custom offices...or maybe they do no ship the object, after payment of the tax, also for 5-6 months.............
So I would like to be sure about what kind of AB is good for me.

What I would like to understand is this: if I will buy a 1600 is it better or not? I mean: 1600 is most powerfull, but I would like to understand if it is too much strong for automotive/portraits.

Can you please tell me what you think about it?

Thank you in advance.
Dan
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SwissWhiskey
post Feb 26 2011, 12:50 AM
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There is a Alienbees Europe website, but everything costs 1.5x more than the US price. That is the reason why I didn't got for them. Also for that (Euro) price you expect more. If I'd lived in the US I would own a couple because they are cheap, but in Europe its just not worth it. I went for the Elinchrom D-lite 4it. They are 400W though. I would look into some Elinchrom BXRi 500, they have the skyport integrated so you dont need pocketwizards for example.

AB800 are 320W
AB1600 are 640W
D-Lite 4 are 400W
BXRi 500 are 500W

In the end you will probably pay a bit more for the Elinchrome but its worth it in my opinion.
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post Feb 26 2011, 01:45 AM
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I can agree what SwissWhiskey said. I also own elinchrom products. I think the quality is good and you get what your pay for!

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post Feb 26 2011, 01:59 AM
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I've heard many good things about the AB's, so I can't say its a bad product at all.

However as the guys have mentioned, Elinchrom stuff is top notch & take it from me, it lasts. I've had my lights for the past 4 years & traveled with them extensively. I took them for their first 'service' last month to get them checked. They still got a ton of life left in them. They are easily the best investment I made when it came to photography.
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DonJuanMair
post Feb 28 2011, 09:43 PM
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Dan my friend, i have 3 B800s and 1 B1600 i rarely use the B1600. Its was too powerful for wide apertures. I have to use a softbox, iso 50 two diffusers in order to shoot at around f5.6 i think I love the B800s. I want a B400 now just for shooting at wider apertures.

Get the B800 and then go from there. I used the B800 that whole shoot i was on at the Ghost Town. Its perfect for what you want. I sometimes use the B1600 in broad daylight shooting towards the sun when i want to underexpose the background.
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post Mar 1 2011, 03:58 AM
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guys, im also in the plan of buying some studio lights.
but, what i dont really get, is how a ab1600 can be too powerful?

isnt it just to level down the power and there you go?
or is a AB1600 ( for example) too powerful at minimum power?

(seagram, this is what i was planning to ask you on fb, but then i found this thread! )

i have been shooting vivitar 285 hv's and im sick of having to little light, if i put it in a softbox, theres hardly any effect from the viv. at. all.


thanks! and sorry for messin up your thread daniele. but i thought you might be interested in the answers aswell smile.gif

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post Mar 1 2011, 05:00 AM
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Thats a good question Maccan, I'm not actually sure if the AB1600 can be toned down. Never worked with them.

Im always trying to keep my light power levels no more than 600W because of my portable power pack. Anything more & it won't handle it.
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daniele fontanin
post Mar 1 2011, 09:33 AM
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Maccan I'm you your situation: i'm using vivitar at the moment but I'm not happy. Little light, short time flashing: after 1 shoot 1 vivitar will die every time...and after 6-7 shoots another one will die...it's a funeral :-(
So your question is perfect also because my english is not so good...ayour post is perfect!
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Take a look here:
http://alienbees.com/specs.html
You can change the power of every AB, but I'm not sure if the AB1600 at the minimum power is too much...

I remember that in summer 2010 I was with Anthony for a photoset and he used AB800...they are SUPERB LIGHTS and I know that Anthony know what I0m searching for: as you can read
"Get the B800 and then go from there. I used the B800 that whole shoot i was on at the Ghost Town. Its perfect for what you want."
I'm sure that AB800 are the best solution and if Anthony agreed with this I think that I will buy AB800.
I only would like to understand if AB800 are good in daylight. I can see in many pics that with the sunshine some of you are able to use external lights. Is possibile to use the AB800 with the sun to illuminate, for example, the dark side of cars?


The last and worst situation: no european dealers...It's a DRAMA.
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post Mar 1 2011, 10:35 AM
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http://paulcbuff.eu.com/cms/

Look at the prices...

340 Euro for a AB800
247.76 Euro fora D-lite 4 (In CH)

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post Mar 1 2011, 12:34 PM
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outside in broad daylight yeah they are great (B1600) i rarely shoot outside, its always inside somewhere dim so i use nice light, low light, the b800 very low
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post Mar 21 2011, 10:22 PM
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i have alien bee's as do the majority of my friends - they are the best bang for the buck (especially with student discounts and everything else)

i have b800's and when shooting people i rarely shoot even near half power (and light very evenly) > they are powerful enough for everything I personally do // however i am mostly only lighting cars and people; not entire rooms or planes (lol)

they are well worth the money and alien bee's customer service is great



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post Mar 22 2011, 01:50 PM
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just dont buy the light stands theyre a piece of shit
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daniele fontanin
post Mar 23 2011, 09:10 AM
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QUOTE(DonJuanMair @ Mar 22 2011, 10:50 PM) *
just dont buy the light stands theyre a piece of shit


:-)))))

I hope to find out a way to buy AB!
In http://paulcbuff.eu.com/cms/ I can't find vagabond...is it possible?
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post Mar 23 2011, 10:15 AM
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get the vagabond mini dan! but its on back order
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daniele fontanin
post Mar 23 2011, 10:16 PM
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Is vagabond mini ok Anthony? I was searching for a vagabond like yours but here in Italy it is impossible to find AB...
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DonJuanMair
post Mar 24 2011, 04:59 PM
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yeah i want to change my vagabonds to the mini now. I will do soon!
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post Mar 30 2011, 01:08 AM
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I just got my vegabond mini in the mail the other day........MUCH smaller and lighter than the VBII
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post Mar 30 2011, 01:10 PM
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oh nice, i definitely want to get one
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post May 16 2012, 09:30 AM
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i just pulled the trigger on the AB1600... i currently only have the AB400.... so I will let you guys know how it compares... smile.gif
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post May 17 2012, 04:47 AM
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Let us know what you think.

I've wanted to get some proper studio heads for ages but never got round to it. The 1600's should be perfect for even direct sunlight shouldn't they?
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