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2009 NISSAN GT-R (R35)
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post Jun 21 2008, 11:43 AM
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PERFORMANCE
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Nissan claims a top speed of 310 km/h (193 mph) and various sources have achieved 0-97 km/h (0-60 mph) times of between 3.2 and 3.8 seconds. Edmunds.com achieved a standing 1/4-mile time of 11.6 s at 190 km/h (118 mph) using the GT-R's launch control system. Edmunds also speculated that faster times may be achievable on better road conditions than provided by the runway which they used for the test.Car and Driver achieved a standing 1/4-mile time of 11.5 s at 200 km/h (124 mph). Evo magazine achieved a 0-100-0 mph time of 13.9 seconds, one tenth of a second quicker than a Corvette Z06 tested under identical conditions. AutoCar achieved a 0-100 MPH time of 8.5 seconds. With a lap time of 7:29 on standard Japanese market tires, the standard-spec GT-R is currently one of the fastest production cars ever to lap the Nurburgring circuit.
In various comparisons under different criteria, the GT-R has outperformed the Audi R8, Chevrolet Corvette Z06, BMW M3 E92, Lotus Elise, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X, the three current Porsche 911s (Carrera, Turbo & GT3), and the Subaru Impreza WRX STI.


DESIGN
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Nissan chief creative officer, Shiro Nakamura, has likened the new GT-R to the eponymous giant robots of the Gundam series. Nakamura states: "The GT-R is unique because it is not simply a copy of a European-designed supercar, it had to really reflect Japanese culture." Specifically, Nakamura noted that the GT-R's square lines and vents were influenced by Gundam. Designers from Japan, America, and Europe contributed to the final GT-R shape.Polyphony Digital, creators of the Gran Turismo series of racing video games, were themselves involved in the development of the GT-R, having been contracted to design the GT-R's multifunction display.


AFTERMARKET TUNING
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Despite early concerns about the difficulty of modification of the Nissan GT-R, a number of modifications have been released. The previously reported "untuneable" ECU has since been hacked by several tuning houses.

It has been reported that Nissan has given access to the car to select tuners. Central 20, MINE'S, MCR, HKS, and Top Secret have been seen testing modified GT-Rs with the former two having conducted tests at the Tsukuba Circuit.

In a review by Motor Trend editor Scott Kanemura, it was revealed that the GPS system fitted to the GT-R would remove the 180-kilometer per hour (112 mph) speed limiter when the car arrives at a race track, but only on tracks approved by Nissan. Aftermarket ECUs have been developed to bypass the speed limiter, in addition to stand-alone speed-limiter defeaters. However, Nissan confirmed the GPS check is not implemented in American models.


2009 NISSAN GT-R (R35)
Engine
# VR38DETT twin-turbocharged 3.8-liter V6.
# 480 hp @ 6,800 rpm. 430 lb-ft torque @ 3,200 - 5,200 rpm.
# Dual overhead camshafts with variable intake-valve timing.
# Cast aluminum cylinder block with high-endurance/low-friction plasma-sprayed bores.
# IHI twin turbochargers, one per cylinder bank.
# Pressurized lubrication system with thermostatically controlled cooling.

Drivetrain
# ATTESA ET-S All-Wheel Drive (AWD) with independent rear-mounted transaxle integrating transmission, differential and AWD transfer case.
# Rigid, lightweight carbon-composite driveshaft between engine and transaxle.
# Electronic traction control plus 1.5-way mechanically locking rear differential.
# Vehicle Dynamics Control (VDC-R) with three driver-selectable settings: Normal (for daily driving, controls brakes and engine output), R-Mode (for ultimate performance, utilizes AWD torque distribution for additional vehicle stability) and Off (driver does not want the help of the system).
# Hill Start Assist prevents rollback when starting on an incline. DisclaimerVDC-R cannot prevent accidents due to abrupt steering, carelessness, or dangerous driving techniques. Always drive safely.

Transmission
# 6-speed Dual Clutch Transmission with three driver-selectable modes: Normal (for maximum smoothness and efficiency), Snow (for gentler starting and shifting on slippery surfaces), and R mode (for maximum performance with fastest shifts).
# Fully automatic shifting or full sequential manual control via gearshift or steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters.
# Dual clutch design changes gears in less than 0.5 second (0.2 second in R mode).
# Downshift Rev Matching (DRM).
# Predictive pre-shift control (in R mode) based on throttle position, vehicle speed, braking and other information.

Wheels and Tires
# 20 x 9.5" (front) and 20 x 10.5" (rear) super-lightweight forged-aluminum wheels with Gunmetal Gray finish.
# Exclusively developed nitrogen-filled Bridgestone RE070A high-capacity run-flat summer tires, 255/40R20 front and 285/35R20 rear.
# Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS).
# Optional exclusively developed nitrogen-filled Dunlop run-flat all-season tires, 255/40R20 front and 285/35R20 rear (includes Bright Silver wheels).

Brakes
# Brembo 4-wheel disc brakes with 4-wheel Antilock Braking System (ABS), Brake Assist, Electronic Brakeforce Distribution and Preview Braking.
# Two-piece floating-rotor 15-inch front and rear discs with diamond-pattern internal ventilation.
# 6-piston front/4-piston rear monoblock calipers.

Steering
# Rack-and-pinion steering with vehicle-speed-sensitive power assist.
# 2.6 steering-wheel turns lock-to-lock.

Suspension
# 4-wheel independent suspension with Bilstein DampTronic system with three driver-selectable modes: Normal/Sport (for automatic electronic control of damping), Comfort (for maximum ride comfort), and R mode (engages maximum damping rate for high-performance cornering).
# Electronically controlled variable-rate shock absorbers. High-accuracy progressive-rate coil springs.
# Front double-wishbone/rear multi-link configuration with aluminum members and rigid aluminum subframes.
# Hollow front and rear stabilizer bars.

Body/Chassis
# Exclusive Premium Midship platform with jig-welded hybrid unibody.
# Aluminum hood, trunk and door skins. Die-cast aluminum door structures.
# Carbon-reinforced front crossmember/radiator support.

Exterior
# Wide-beam headlights with High Intensity Discharge (HID) low beams.
# LED taillights and brake lights.
# Dual heated power mirrors.
# Flush-mounted aluminum door handles.
# Body-color rear spoiler with integrated center high-mounted stop light.
# UV-reducing tinted glass. Audio/Navigation/Performance Monitor

Interior
# Digital Bose audio system with AM/FM/in-dash 6-CD changer and 11 speakers including dual subwoofers.
# HDD Music Box system, including hard drive with 9.4 GB for audio storage.
# MP3, WMA and DVD audio capable. In-dash Compact Flash card reader.
# HDD-based GPS navigation with touch screen.
# Driver-configurable performance monitor, developed with Sony Polyphony, with graphical readouts of vehicle data and driving data displayed on a total of 11 screens.
# 7-inch WVGA high-resolution color-LCD display for audio, navigation and performance monitor.
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post Jun 21 2008, 01:17 PM
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yes, I voted uncool.
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post Jun 21 2008, 02:36 PM
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Frozen.

I love the brutal "yeah, an engineer designed the bodywork, not a designer, you got a problem with that?" looks. I love how it's dripping with technology, and how the oh-so-advanced drivetrain makes this thing seem more at home in a Neon Genesis Evangelion manga than in a car park with Corvettes and Porsches. And I love its utter un-pretentiousness.

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Nissan chief creative officer, Shiro Nakamura, has likened the new GT-R to the eponymous giant robots of the Gundam series.


It's funny, I had been thinking that ever since it came out. Not Gundam specifically, but the whole giant-robot-anime thing. I think people who say this car is fast but lacks character are missing the point. It's absolutely dripping in character, just a fundamentally different sort of character than you see from Porsche or Ferrari or Chevrolet.
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post Jun 21 2008, 03:28 PM
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The best performance deal ever conceived, and one of the most brilliant overall cars ever. If there were rankings within Frozen, it would be towards the top. thumbs_up.gif
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post Jun 21 2008, 03:32 PM
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I have to see it in person to judge the looks of this car. But until then I'll give it a solid 'cool'.
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post Jun 21 2008, 06:23 PM
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It's cool to the extent that when I see the first one, I'll try to flag down the owner. But it is kept from frozen because the car itself does as much driving as the driver. To maximize its potential requires a lot less input from the driver than in, say, a Ferrari.
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post Jun 21 2008, 07:30 PM
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It's wicked performance is betrayed by it's hideous physique. In most instances I can overlook this and I guess I should here. Something about this car has always irked me and I can't put it into words. It gets a cool vote from me.
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post Jun 21 2008, 08:09 PM
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There really is something that just keeps me from loving this car.

Ever since they decided to split the GT-R from the Skyline range and make this... I just can't really bring myself to care about this car to the extent that I did with the older GTRs.

I mean.... with those you had the whole base model RWD R32, R33, R34... and then you had the GT-R's.... with this ... i'm just saying I don't really like this thing as its own 'model' range. It's missing the added character that its smaller brothers managed to give it.
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post Jun 21 2008, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE(Phix @ Jun 21 2008, 09:09 PM) *
There really is something that just keeps me from loving this car.

Ever since they decided to split the GT-R from the Skyline range and make this... I just can't really bring myself to care about this car to the extent that I did with the older GTRs.

I mean.... with those you had the whole base model RWD R32, R33, R34... and then you had the GT-R's.... with this ... i'm just saying I don't really like this thing as its own 'model' range. It's missing the added character that its smaller brothers managed to give it.


Let me make sure I understand your argument. The existence of the 328i makes the M3 cooler than it otherwise would be? The existence of the Lancer ES makes the EVO X cooler than it otherwise would be? In other words, you like your performance cars to be hopped-up versions of more pedestrian cars, not designed from the ground up?
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post Jun 22 2008, 05:27 AM
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QUOTE(Mitlov @ Jun 22 2008, 08:21 AM) *
Let me make sure I understand your argument. The existence of the 328i makes the M3 cooler than it otherwise would be? The existence of the Lancer ES makes the EVO X cooler than it otherwise would be? In other words, you like your performance cars to be hopped-up versions of more pedestrian cars, not designed from the ground up?


That does kind of make sense. Without the 3-series, the M3 would be bland performance coupe, and without the Lancer the Evo would be another over-specced rice rocket. The fact that they had such humble origins really adds a lot to their appeal.

I'm really not sure what to vote. On one hand, we're looking one of the most capable performance cars of all-time, and at bargain price too. Something about it leaves me cold too...I guess I'll give it a frozen based on the fact that if I ever get to drive one, I'm sure it'll blow me away.

EDIT: I figured out what I don't like, I know this isn't the point, but it has ZERO sex appeal. Change my vote to cool please.
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post Jun 22 2008, 06:14 AM
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The thing about the Evo is, originally there was NO Lancer, there was only the Mitsubishi Evolution based directly off of the company's WRC cars. But yeah, that does make good sense. It gives the upgraded model the flagship feeling, in a way, even if it isn't (like, for BMW the M6 would technically be considered the flagship, but the M3 still feels top-of-the-line).
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post Jun 23 2008, 03:14 AM
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QUOTE(Razor @ Jun 22 2008, 06:14 AM) *
The thing about the Evo is, originally there was NO Lancer, there was only the Mitsubishi Evolution based directly off of the company's WRC cars. But yeah, that does make good sense. It gives the upgraded model the flagship feeling, in a way, even if it isn't (like, for BMW the M6 would technically be considered the flagship, but the M3 still feels top-of-the-line).

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The Evolution I was introduced in 1992 to compete in the World Rally Championship. It used the 2.0 L turbocharged DOHC engine and 4WD drivetrain from the original Galant VR-4 in a Lancer chassis, and was sold in GSR and RS models.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancer_Evolution

The GT-R has been best described as a $80,000 cheat code. It weighs as much as a new CTS sedan (!), and, despite how unbelievably quick it is, setting low times to me on any track is akin to beating a video game on easy - sure, it makes you feel good inside, but there was no skill involved in doing so.

I would buy one of these as a daily driver for sure, and I am no less impressed by what they've accomplished here, but this just isn't a car that I would ever consider frozen. A solid cool for sheer numbers and engineering hours, but no more than that. Additionally, with all of the stipulations that Nissan has put on this car (restricted ECU, mandatory servicing after racing events [$$$$$$]) I just cannot in good conscience get into this car the way I could about the R34 or, even more so, the R32.
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post Jun 23 2008, 04:11 AM
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from GTR to EVO....nice off topic....smile.gif
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QUOTE(midnightdorifto @ Jun 23 2008, 08:14 AM) *
The GT-R has been best described as a $80,000 cheat code. It weighs as much as a new CTS sedan (!), and, despite how unbelievably quick it is, setting low times to me on any track is akin to beating a video game on easy - sure, it makes you feel good insde, but there was no skill involved in doing so.

That is exactly how I feel.
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post Jun 23 2008, 09:25 AM
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The front seats are two inches wider for only the american market.
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post Jun 24 2008, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(Mitlov @ Jun 22 2008, 01:21 AM) *
Let me make sure I understand your argument. The existence of the 328i makes the M3 cooler than it otherwise would be? The existence of the Lancer ES makes the EVO X cooler than it otherwise would be? In other words, you like your performance cars to be hopped-up versions of more pedestrian cars, not designed from the ground up?

Yes.

I understand the idea and concept of 'character' and 'essence' is alien to you, Android, but tis' be my main point.
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post Jun 24 2008, 02:24 PM
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The GT-R is for ESC sissies who need blinking lights on their dashboard in order to be fast. Uncool (and me not voting MJU is a flattery I'm not sure it deserves).
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post Jun 24 2008, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(Uwe @ Jun 24 2008, 03:24 PM) *
The GT-R is for ESC sissies who need blinking lights on their dashboard in order to be fast. Uncool (and me not voting MJU is a flattery I'm not sure it deserves).


Did you mean to sound like a crotchety old man railing about "how things were different when I was a kid," or did it just pop out that way?
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post Jun 24 2008, 11:38 PM
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I want to drive a car myself and not having some electronic systems done it. Doing a quick lap with that car is like making the first ascent of a mountain with the help of a helicopter. And don't get me started on the Ring laptime they claim they've done with a car in production state. This all smells of cheating and I don't like that.
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post Jun 25 2008, 07:16 AM
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QUOTE(Uwe @ Jun 25 2008, 12:38 AM) *
And don't get me started on the Ring laptime they claim they've done with a car in production state. This all smells of cheating and I don't like that.


Do you have ANY basis to say that the 'Ring car wasn't in production state? Every single test I've read or watched has commented on how surprisingly fast the GT-R is. Those electronics you hate so much? They work. So if you've got ANY evidence that Nissan was cheating on the Ring lap, besides the lap time itself, please say so.

Now, if by "cheating" you mean that the GT-R makes well more than the claimed 480 horsepower...that became a widely-accepted fact as soon as people started putting them on dynos.
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