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post Jan 24 2006, 12:00 AM
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Some companies are slow learners.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/23/ford.fires/index.html
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post Jan 24 2006, 01:35 AM
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reminds me of those crown vics that were blowing up on rearend impacts.
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post Jan 24 2006, 08:41 AM
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How is the design on these particular Fords so different that causes this to happen?
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post Jan 24 2006, 09:04 AM
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my family drives a 94 crown vic sad.gif
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post Jan 24 2006, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE(fiber optic @ Jan 24 2006, 03:35 AM) *
How is the design on these particular Fords so different that causes this to happen?


the gas tank is behind the rear axle...
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post Jan 24 2006, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE(lxmcc @ Jan 24 2006, 12:04 PM) *
my family drives a 94 crown vic sad.gif

I was gonna make fun of you but then I stumbled onto this site... it.... really fucked me up. It's really tragic.

http://groups.northwestern.edu/nightcrawlers/story2.html
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post Jan 24 2006, 05:59 PM
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And this is why Ford is about to cut 25,000 jobs...
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post Jan 24 2006, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE(Cyclone @ Jan 24 2006, 05:59 PM) *
And this is why Ford is about to cut 25,000 jobs...

That's the UAW's fault, but I see how "firey deaths due to poor engineering" and Union of Auto Workers can get confused.
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post Jan 24 2006, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(PHiX @ Jan 24 2006, 10:55 AM) *
I was gonna make fun of you but then I stumbled onto this site... it.... really fucked me up. It's really tragic.

http://groups.northwestern.edu/nightcrawlers/story2.html



DUDE OMFG

LIKE

GIVE PPL A WARNING MAN

GOD DAMM

Damm I;m now traumatised for the rest of my FUCKING LIFE

Watch Out ppl. VERY graphic Images.

DAmm man.

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post Jan 24 2006, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE(midnightdorifto @ Jan 24 2006, 10:28 PM) *
That's the UAW's fault, but I see how "firey deaths due to poor engineering" and Union of Auto Workers can get confused.


Shitty build quality and shitty cars = loss of sales = job cuts.
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post Jan 24 2006, 10:20 PM
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Yeah, Honda and Toyota build tons of cars in the USA now. So does Hyundai. All three are far more profitable than any of the "American" manufacturers, who are tanking despite making an increasing number of models outside of the United States.
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post Jan 25 2006, 12:20 AM
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QUOTE(Mitlov @ Jan 25 2006, 01:20 AM) *
Yeah, Honda and Toyota build tons of cars in the USA now. So does Hyundai. All three are far more profitable than any of the "American" manufacturers, who are tanking despite making an increasing number of models outside of the United States.


Look at how many cars that a lot of these companies have in their lineup. And a bad thing really is, well for example GM's parts bin. You'll find that very same part in their cheapest car in their most expensive car. Somehow American car companies are jacking up the prices insanely high on their cars to make huge profits while they're cutting corners and people aren't buying into that anymore. It's like why do I want to pay $65k for this Corvette which has all the knobs from an Aveo and the steering wheel from a Cavalier? Just as an example.

Of course started with Ford... Bam, slam a Mecury badge on it and charge an extra few thousand dollars and see if these idiots are dumb enough to buy into it.

American car companies screw their customers, that's why sales are declining. Fords bursting into flames getting hit in the rear... cutting corners.

I would hate to know that I drive a vehicle in which Ford decided it's against their best interst to give me the extra bit of protection because they don't think accidents as such are very likely.
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post Jan 25 2006, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE(Cyclone @ Jan 24 2006, 08:29 PM) *
Shitty build quality and shitty cars = loss of sales = job cuts.

More like Unrealistic Union Demands + Rising Healthcare Costs due to friviolous lawsuits = job cuts.
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post Jan 25 2006, 05:44 PM
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Guys Guys Guys. It was Explained Simply In FightClub.

If the cost of a recall. Is more than the cost Of a huge lawsuit. Then there is no recall.

Also

What can you do with enof Soap?

First one to right answer gets 100 kudos points. Rolf.

Know your movies ppl! keke.gif

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post Jan 25 2006, 05:45 PM
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You could blow up a building with enough soap.

I am Jack's complete lack of suprise.
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post Jan 25 2006, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE(midnightdorifto @ Jan 25 2006, 05:38 PM) *
More like Unrealistic Union Demands + Rising Healthcare Costs due to friviolous lawsuits = job cuts.

So...are all the auto workers at Honda/Toyota/Hyundai plants in the United States not unionized? Do they not have health care?
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post Jan 25 2006, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE(Mitlov @ Jan 25 2006, 10:55 PM) *
So...are all the auto workers at Honda/Toyota/Hyundai plants in the United States not unionized? Do they not have health care?

GM employs much more workers than those other companies, plus they got the short end of the stick with the contracts
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post Jan 26 2006, 08:25 AM
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*deep breath* Okay. Here we go.

QUOTE(Cyclone @ Jan 25 2006, 12:20 AM) *
Look at how many cars that a lot of these companies have in their lineup. And a bad thing really is, well for example GM's parts bin. You'll find that very same part in their cheapest car in their most expensive car. Somehow American car companies are jacking up the prices insanely high on their cars to make huge profits while they're cutting corners and people aren't buying into that anymore. It's like why do I want to pay $65k for this Corvette which has all the knobs from an Aveo and the steering wheel from a Cavalier? Just as an example.

Their quality control may be a little off sometimes, but that's an attempt to keep prices reasonable. And its difficult to argue that the quality is that low when GM's #1 selling car last year was the CTS. Yes, above the Cobalt. The Corvette is an entirely seperate example. The people who buy Corvettes do not care about the cheap plastics, or the steering wheel. They care about being fast, and only being fast. Fact is, for just $50,000 (price of a base C6 M6 with an LS2), you can start blowing the doors off of cars that are twice as expensive. Quality control be damned, they want something for speed.

QUOTE(Cyclone @ Jan 25 2006, 12:20 AM) *
Of course started with Ford... Bam, slam a Mecury badge on it and charge an extra few thousand dollars and see if these idiots are dumb enough to buy into it.

American car companies screw their customers, that's why sales are declining. Fords bursting into flames getting hit in the rear... cutting corners.

A noble thesis, for sure. I'll agree that the lineup is unoriginal for the other brands. And sales for Mercury and Lincoln have been waning - thanks also to the part that their chief demographic is dying (literally). However, making a blanket statement that American car companies screw their customers is flat out wrong. Cutting corners has been the name of the price game forever in the car industry. Go take a look at the French cars, particularly Renaults. Nissans too, for that matter. However, before Carlos Ghosn took over Nissan and cut prices of materials, they were declining in sales rapidly. Moreover, Nissan platform shares more than any other car company. Every one of their models (excluding a couple of their trucks) shares the same VQ35DE. I admire the variety and central strategy that Nissan has developed, and I'd like to see GM and Ford do much the same. Additionally, I'd love to see Ford make Lincoln do the turnaround that Cadillac has in the past decade.

QUOTE(Cyclone @ Jan 25 2006, 12:20 AM) *
I would hate to know that I drive a vehicle in which Ford decided it's against their best interst to give me the extra bit of protection because they don't think accidents as such are very likely.

In E46 BMWs, the passenger's airbags have been known to go off without warning. The ball bearing wasn't secured properly from the factory, causing suspension failure if the weight is taken off while driving. The lower steering shaft may fail. On Golfs, the brake servo vaccuum pipe might fail, causing the power assist to the brakes to be shut off. These sorts of things happen to all car manufacturers, all the time. Not just Ford.

American car companies are losing sales because the health care costs of their UAW workers is too high to keep the prices on their cars down. The profitable American cars, i.e. the Mustang and 300C, are produced in a non-union plant by a third party and in Canada (non-union) respectively. Its not that "American cars suck" so they're not selling.
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post Jan 26 2006, 08:53 AM
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Whoa, I'd like to know some more info on that E46 airbag issue. Were there any recalls issued? I'm curious because a friend of mine is purchasing an E46 in the next few months.
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post Jan 26 2006, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE(PHiX @ Jan 26 2006, 08:53 AM) *
Whoa, I'd like to know some more info on that E46 airbag issue. Were there any recalls issued? I'm curious because a friend of mine is purchasing an E46 in the next few months.

A recall was issued, and it only affected the older E46s.
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