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Posted by: speedyK Oct 14 2009, 12:21 PM



Thanks Bjorn. You were right. Someone told me to use yt instaed of the full words rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Bjorn Oct 14 2009, 12:22 PM

Nice addition.

A bit big and heavy for my tastes, but definitely a classic through and through.

Posted by: speedyK Oct 14 2009, 12:23 PM

Thanks. Explain that for me please! smile.gif

Posted by: Bjorn Oct 14 2009, 12:30 PM

explain the embedding?

I just did (youtube)video ID(/youtube) but with square brackets. I think you did [yt]video ID[/yt]

Posted by: Aircooled Oct 14 2009, 01:39 PM

Ah ha. That car was on my list, I knew it was going to be English!

Posted by: BlackJack Oct 14 2009, 02:01 PM

Wait, so you still have the Exige?

Posted by: 350Z Oct 14 2009, 02:20 PM

I did say DB7 Vantage with my one guess, how is it?

Posted by: DB9 Oct 14 2009, 02:44 PM

QUOTE(BlackJack @ Oct 14 2009, 05:01 PM) *
Wait, so you still have the Exige?


http://forums.dieselstation.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=18813&view=findpost&p=455507

Posted by: porsche944 Oct 14 2009, 02:58 PM

you have a leaf in your grille

Posted by: speedyK Oct 14 2009, 03:19 PM

QUOTE(BlackJack @ Oct 15 2009, 12:01 AM) *
Wait, so you still have the Exige?


Sale is agreed but not paid in full, so still with me thumbs_up.gif

QUOTE(porsche944 @ Oct 15 2009, 12:58 AM) *
you have a leaf in your grille


Yeah – I only saw that when I checked the the pics. Wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't devoured a few animals or small children too! biggrin.gif pics

QUOTE(350Z @ Oct 15 2009, 12:20 AM) *
I did say DB7 Vantage with my one guess, how is it?


Doesn't seem to matter what gear it's in – it just goes! DS_Naughty2.gif

Posted by: SwissWhiskey Oct 15 2009, 01:34 AM

Wow! Congrats man, I was expecting something a bit less flashy.

Hows is using V12 smoothness every day?

Posted by: MustangAficionado Oct 15 2009, 10:18 AM

Time to change your sig

Posted by: infinity Oct 15 2009, 12:41 PM

Congrats! I've always loved the DB7 thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: speedyK Oct 15 2009, 02:09 PM

QUOTE(MustangAficionado @ Oct 15 2009, 08:18 PM) *
Time to change your sig


thumbs_up.gif

1st report! biggrin.gif

Been on a half a tank trip this evening.

How can I phrase this?

Travelling at the legal limit is subjectively akin to standing still – especially (I should imagine!) in contrast to other speeds...

100 km/h could be comfortably added to the open road/autobahn limits under most circumstances (I should imagine!).

Tracks straight as an arrow. Uncanny keenness to respond to input when negotiating a roundabout enthusiastically – a truly surprising nimbleness that belies its weight. It's no Lotus in the steering feedback, but not a fraction as bad as I'm sure most of you suppose it must be.

My colleague was impressed when we found an open stretch – and I mean flat and with a completely unobstructed view all around – of road and putting my foot down in 4th resulted in stellar acceleration. Creamy smooth, seemingly boundless continually accelerating surge forwards. Applying the brakes to check it all resulted in a very impressive poise and lack of drama as it hauled the speed back down.

Had an interesting moment when I was attacking an empty roundabout and the side of the seat seemed to collapse by a centimetre or so under load ohdear.gif Investigation showed that the seat squab (which had presumably been removed when they were treating the leather) had not been fully clipped back onto its frame and the lateral load had finally pushed it home.

About 320 kilometers. About half an 89 litre tank = 14 litres per 100 km = 20 mpg. Not as bad as I expected! biggrin.gif

Well on the way to bonding with the car after this evenings run. I'm stirred but not shaken wink.gif

Posted by: VisualEchos Oct 15 2009, 04:10 PM

You sir, have excellent taste.

Posted by: Aircooled Oct 15 2009, 04:28 PM

This thread is worthless without pics and more specifically, videos..

Posted by: speedyK Oct 16 2009, 02:58 AM

^^^ Me thinks you didn't watch my YouTube video till the end.

Not done a video of the car yet – only got it on Wednesday evening, but here are some first snaps:
















Posted by: VisualEchos Oct 16 2009, 04:45 AM

That color is sooooooooooooooooooooo good on that car.

Posted by: moe Oct 17 2009, 06:59 AM

That's absolutely beautiful Speedy. Congratulations.

Posted by: speedyK Oct 17 2009, 08:10 AM

Thanks guys! cool.gif

Posted by: speedyK Oct 17 2009, 09:34 AM

Horrible weather here today, so it's staying snug in the garage

Posted by: eraser_rx Oct 17 2009, 04:00 PM

2 cars for now is good....but 1 car next year is even better rolleyes.gif

Posted by: moe Oct 18 2009, 01:40 AM

^ Wtf?

Posted by: speedyK Oct 18 2009, 03:28 AM

eraser_rx is referring to my plan to replace both the (already sold, but not yet collected) Exige and the Aston with a Nissan GT-R thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: Altostratus Oct 18 2009, 12:54 PM

so you did buy an XJS V12!

Posted by: speedyK Oct 18 2009, 01:37 PM

Now it's my turn to say WTF?! biggrin.gif

Does it look like an XJS V12???

Though my bro has told me I MUST let him borrow the Aston to go over the Alps – and he'll lend me his XJS V12 when I'm in England. He also says, "do NOT wrap it up before I've been in it" laugh.gif

Posted by: Altostratus Oct 18 2009, 08:51 PM

the DB7 is based off the XJS chassis...

Posted by: speedyK Oct 19 2009, 02:33 AM

True – but, particularly for the Vantage, it was significantly modified. The all alloy V12 Vantage engine is light and sits well back in the chassis. I've been surprised by its agility.



A few interior pics












Quote from my bro on seeing these pics and knowing that I want to change it for a GT-R,

"It looks freakin' brillinat. Don't weigh it in for a rice burner, for
goodness sake! How could you? Have you no soul?"


biggrin.gif

Posted by: moe Oct 19 2009, 02:36 AM

^ Haha. I want to agree with him, but the GT-R is quite a machine. It's also beautiful, in a very modern, brutal kind of way. Also that two-tone interior is gorgeous. Green with white...mmm.

Posted by: b0mb3r Oct 19 2009, 05:55 AM

is that real wood?

Posted by: Razor Oct 19 2009, 06:13 AM

QUOTE(b0mb3r @ Oct 19 2009, 09:55 AM) *
is that real wood?


In an Aston, I would hope... seriously.

Posted by: Bjorn Oct 19 2009, 06:20 AM

I always felt that, until the DB9, modern Aston interiors left a lot to be desired.

Also, is that a tape deck? Isn't this a 2000? I thought Lexus were the only people who refused to give up the cassette tape (SC430 still has one to this day).

Posted by: nismo Oct 19 2009, 06:21 AM

That's a boring ass steering wheel.

Posted by: moe Oct 19 2009, 06:41 AM

QUOTE(Bjorn @ Oct 19 2009, 06:20 PM) *
Also, is that a tape deck? Isn't this a 2000? I thought Lexus were the only people who refused to give up the cassette tape (SC430 still has one to this day).


My car's an '05 and has a tape deck. Which works for me, because I use it to hook up my iPod.

Posted by: b0mb3r Oct 19 2009, 08:58 AM

Its a wonderful car, I am sure but that interior is just ugly...

Posted by: Altostratus Oct 19 2009, 09:25 AM

that white leather is a bitch to clean.
and yeah, that steering wheel sucks the big one

Posted by: Aircooled Oct 19 2009, 09:56 AM

The steering wheel was the first thing that caught my eye. Was the car in an accident? Surely when you buy a 150K car, that price includes an Aston Martin badge on the steering wheel so you don't forget what your driving.
The shifter reminds me of the one time when I talked my friend into letting me drive is Ford Contour.


The back seat looks like it is easy to fall asleep in....

Posted by: Phix Oct 19 2009, 09:59 AM

er, yeah, what's up with that steering wheel? Every pic I see of DB7 interiors has 'Aston Martin' embossed into the steering wheel.

Posted by: DB9 Oct 19 2009, 10:26 AM

Agreed that the interior is a little uninspiring. I don't like the green leather either that well, but thats just me.

What an awesome car though! Congrats man.

Posted by: speedyK Oct 19 2009, 11:32 AM

Wood:
Of course it's real wood!
Instead of the standard burr walnut veneer, options included:
- burr oak veneer (for CHF 2,190.00 = $2,161.00)
- burr elm veneer (for CHF 2,190.00 = $2,161.00)
- burr maple veneer (for CHF 2,190.00 = $2,161.00)
- carbon fibre veneer (for a mere $4,333.00)


Tape deck:
The Alpine head unit was standard on the DB7 Vantage – mine has the sound system with the CD changer in the boot under a panel where the handbook and battery conditioner also resides.



Steering wheel:
The standard wheel is a 4-spoke. Mine has the optional 3-spoke, full leather wheel ( an option that cost CHF 1,300.00 = $1,283.00)
I also looked at one that had the 3-spoke with wooden top part to the wheel (this was the actual car at the Geneva show in 2001) – I hated it.



The one I've got is just right! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Phix Oct 19 2009, 12:42 PM

lol, the owner's manual is in the trunk? because that makes as much sense as having a deck in your glovebox.

Posted by: speedyK Oct 19 2009, 12:56 PM

It hardly needs a manual. Pretty much self-explanatory - even the center console:


Btw, the AstonMartin golfing umbrella (talk about typically English!) mounted in the boot of mine was a CHF430.00 = $425.00 option too.

Posted by: moe Oct 19 2009, 01:13 PM

I like the interior, it's got an old-world kind of feel to it. You know, looking at that interior, that this could only be an Aston or a Jag. Not a fan of that wheel either, looks like typical Ford parts-bin garbage that they've tried to unsuccessfully cover up.

Posted by: Aircooled Oct 19 2009, 02:04 PM

I remember seeing a car, I think it was a Rolls, that in the door jamb was a round button. Pressing it would cause an umbrella to come out of it. Pretty sweet.

Posted by: infinity Oct 19 2009, 02:10 PM

QUOTE(Aircooled @ Oct 19 2009, 06:04 PM) *
I remember seeing a car, I think it was a Rolls, that in the door jamb was a round button. Pressing it would cause an umbrella to come out of it. Pretty sweet.
Yep, the http://image.motortrend.com/f/9823196+w750/112_0806_18z+2009_rolls_royce_phantom_coupe+umbrella_in_door.jpg.

Makes more sense than the trunk/boot.

Posted by: Altostratus Oct 19 2009, 04:38 PM

did it come with the optional sport exhaust aswell?

Posted by: clarkma5 Oct 19 2009, 08:21 PM

I keep my owner's manual in the trunk, next to the spare tire. VW has a slot in the glovebox for it but the owner's manual got bigger between 2002 and 2004 and it doesn't fit there X.gif

Posted by: Razor Oct 19 2009, 08:21 PM

QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Oct 20 2009, 12:21 AM) *
I keep my owner's manual in the trunk, next to the spare tire. VW has a slot in the glovebox for it but the owner's manual got bigger between 2002 and 2004 and it doesn't fit there X.gif


At least you have one. sad.gif

Posted by: clarkma5 Oct 19 2009, 08:23 PM

...you don't have an owner's manual? Buy one...

Posted by: speedyK Oct 20 2009, 02:56 AM

QUOTE(Altostratus @ Oct 20 2009, 02:38 AM) *
did it come with the optional sport exhaust aswell?


That wasn't a listed factory option for the DB7 Vantage – though with Aston Martin, pretty much anything is possible – for a price...



Mine does have the heated front screen though – which is useful.

Posted by: Aircooled Oct 20 2009, 03:49 AM

QUOTE(speedyK @ Oct 20 2009, 06:56 AM) *
though with Aston Martin, pretty much anything is possible – for a price...




"You want a what? A secret sex toy compartment in the trunk? Yeah we can do that for you, that'll be 750 pounds..."

Posted by: speedyK Oct 20 2009, 02:15 PM

^^^I think you'd have to add a zero to that sum.

In 2000, the asking price for the optional first aid kit was CHF 650.00

I mean, what does it comprise? Your own nurse?! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Altostratus Oct 20 2009, 03:12 PM

you could get the Quicksilver exhaust center-pipe for that kinda dough

Posted by: b0mb3r Oct 20 2009, 04:21 PM

QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Oct 19 2009, 09:23 PM) *
...you don't have an owner's manual? Buy one...

why would he need to do that? he can do what every other whoretex user does... make a post smile.gif

Posted by: hexagone Oct 20 2009, 04:25 PM

You know, it's a fantastic looking car. I really do like it.

But I hate to be the one saying it bluntly- the interior leaves too much to be desired for a car of this caliber, IMO.

The way I look at it- it appears as an interior that could be found in a 99' ford contour (mondeo) but covered in excessive wood and leather. Even the steering wheel, while an expensive option and somewhat 'sportier', looks completely out of place.

Posted by: Razor Oct 20 2009, 04:29 PM

QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Oct 20 2009, 12:23 AM) *
...you don't have an owner's manual? Buy one...


Car didn't come with one. From the factory. If an R32 owner really wanted one, they could order a GTI manual with a little add-on about 4Motion and the VR6.

Posted by: clarkma5 Oct 20 2009, 05:54 PM

Ah. Then buy a service manual.

Posted by: Razor Oct 20 2009, 06:00 PM

QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Oct 20 2009, 09:54 PM) *
Ah. Then buy a service manual.


I don't think that exists either, lol. Whenever I go to the dealership, the "Make/Model/Trim/Options" section of the bill/work receipt always says the following, and apparently the associated service manual for anything to do with the parts that aren't GTI-related is that of the A3 3.2L afaik... anyway:

Year: 2008
Make: Volkswagen
Model: GTI
Trim: n/a
Options:
- 2.0T FSI Delete
- 4Motion
- 3.2 VR6

... I shit you not. VWoA identifies my car as a GTI with an engine and AWD as options.

Posted by: Aircooled Oct 20 2009, 06:03 PM

lol, I heard of a radio delete plate and A/C delete but never an engine delete laugh.gif

Posted by: Altostratus Oct 20 2009, 06:07 PM

lets get back to the aston, not the gussied up golf

Posted by: speedyK Oct 21 2009, 03:13 AM

If I had any sense, I would have bought an R32 instead of the Aston. I found one in the great-looking dark blue with the optional Recaros, but my wife said they look too boring...

but back to the Aston:

The interior doesn't seem to find favour with most of you – what about the rear?

My car is stock


But I also looked at one that was specially built for the Geneva 2001 show by Aston's own tuning division, Works Services. It's nicknamed the Jaffa version, because the lights look like huge oranges – also needs a different rear bumper to incorporate the reversin and fog lamps, so not cheap! I think it looks "meaty" and purposeful, but most people seem to find it ugly:


Works Services also offered a different version which kept the original bumper and had the reversiong/fog in the big round lamps - thus cheaper



Opinions?




(Btw, I didn't go for the "Jaffa" one because it had more miles, was in worse condition, had been re-sprayed from the originakl green and cost more!)

Posted by: moe Oct 21 2009, 04:00 AM

The "Jaffa" version isn't bad, but I prefer the stock looks. It's just more purposeful.

Posted by: Bjorn Oct 21 2009, 06:25 AM

Ya, Jaffa looks interesting, but you could never be criticized for keeping an Aston stock.

Posted by: moe Oct 21 2009, 06:47 AM

Actually looking back at it with less tired eyes, I can see what you mean. The Jaffa does look more meaty and purposeful, and the stock looks sleeker more elegant. The one thing that irks me about the Jaffa with the different bumper is the mounting of the reverse light. What irks me about the green one is that the tails seem to be flush, whereas on the gray one has slightly bulging tails. The bulge make subtly more muscular.

Posted by: infinity Oct 21 2009, 02:47 PM

I prefer the looks of yours TBH. Not overly impressed with the interior, but the DB7 has always been one of my favorite looking cars of its era.

Posted by: Altostratus Oct 21 2009, 02:56 PM

i like the 5 spoke magnesium Dymags

Posted by: Marien Oct 22 2009, 12:39 AM

That rear license plate is really a shame. Aren't there any other models available? Other than that, it's a really nice and clean car!

Posted by: speedyK Oct 22 2009, 04:18 AM

Trouble is that, under the Swiss system, you can share one licence plate between two numbers for the same driver.

Obviously, as only one can be on the road at any time, you can save a considerable sum of money on road tax and insurance this way. And as the road tax depends on engine size, hp, etc., if you have several cars, it is best to put the two biggest on one plate.

Rear plates come in two formats – long Euro-style and tall US style.

The Aston replaces my 300ZX which can accommodate either shape. Good design by Nissan thumbs_up.gif


But it shares a number with my my Dodge Durango – and that has a 40 cm wide recess for a plate – the euro-style long ones are 50 cm, so simply don't fit in. Bad design by Dodge! nono.gif

At least the tall one can be squeezed onto the Aston and remain illuminated – but still bad design by Aston thumbs_down.gif


Similarly, my Smart can only take the long ones. Bad design! thumbs_down.gif


It has shared a plate with my Exige – which can take either. Good design by Lotus! thumbs_up.gif


Until it's sold, the 300ZX is sharing the plate with the Smart.


My 106GTI can also take either. Good design by Peugeot! thumbs_up.gif


and shares a plate with my Lancia thumbs_up.gif





But the "wrong" plate format should not be a problem for too long, as I don't intend to keep the Aston... and the planned replacement can accept either format. Good design by Nisssan! thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: Phix Oct 22 2009, 05:07 AM

I'm confused... maybe I just forgot. Didn't you sell the Exige FOR the Aston and then you're going to sell the Aston FOR the GT-R?

Posted by: speedyK Oct 22 2009, 05:47 AM

Yes. Sold/selling both the Exige and the 300ZX.

The Aston is a stop-gap that replaces the 300ZX's rτle as GT, but not the Exige's rτle as "driver's car". And I would never take the Aston on track.

I considered an R32 as a sensible winter car instead of the Aston, but my wife said they're too boring. Might get one yet though – or a 996 turbo instead of the Aston as a more usable stepping stone to the GT-R.


The GT-R will be both a GT and a driver's car (and in all weathers) – and I almost certainly will do one track event to compare reality with the sims. As a car that has received glowing reports from testers around the world, the GT-R is another box that has to be to ticked!



BUT

I love the versatile roof on the Smart and would love to add that feature to my "wanted features" list (2+2 GT, 6+ cyls., 4wd, twin clutch) and am already looking at a possible replacement for the GT-R that I haven't bought yet!* laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


Thing is, these things cost far too much new – have to wait a couple of years then make a move. No car is perfect and there will always be new developments, but you need to know what's out there and plan these things thumbs_up.gif

Now what combines the 2+2 seats and 4wd of the GT-R with a great roof?



Purists may look down on it as "compromised", but if I get one of these I suspect it will do a pretty good job in most situations:

Targa 4S with PDK twin clutch


I'm test driving one at my local Porsche Centre soon – it's a manual and I've been up front with them and said I'm NOT interested in this car itself, but in the roof system and general feel (never driven a 997, though 996 GT3 and Turbo don't really do it for me) with a view to getting a used PDK one in a couple of years. They are happy with that, as they can see that I am a potential customer and can then let me know when one comes in.




*There's method in my madness thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: Bjorn Oct 22 2009, 06:02 AM

What ever it is you do to be able to keep a garage this well stocked, do you need an apprentice?

Posted by: fiber optic Oct 22 2009, 06:18 AM

QUOTE(Bjorn @ Oct 22 2009, 09:02 AM) *
What ever it is you do to be able to keep a garage this well stocked, do you need an apprentice?


What if he's Primary JizzMopper at the local peep show?

Posted by: Bjorn Oct 22 2009, 06:23 AM

Fuck, I would mop jizz for a 964 C2.

Posted by: speedyK Oct 22 2009, 06:47 AM

^^^ biggrin.gif

My ex-assistant has a 964 - but his is an RS Ruf turbo


Avoiding the temptation to buy new helps to keep a nicely stocked garage, e.g. with the first year depreciation on a GT-R, you can buy a very nice Smart roadster thumbs_up.gif

I have bought new when the car wasn't to expensive and I really, really wanted it. Last time was with my Speedster – saw it for the first time reported as a prototype in the press in early 1999. Basically a Lotus Elise but with a better engine, ABD and an airbag - and sensible things imposed by GM such as access to the screen was bottle by a hinged, lift-up panel rather than an unscrew, lift off one. Went straight to the main dealer and asked when the order books opened. Finally got the first one in this part of Switzerland over two years later – and they could only deliver the hardtop a year later.

Great little car


After 4.5 years use, I still got 63% of the purchase price back when I wrote it off, so can't complain about depreciation too much there. And prices have stayed at about 50% of new for a couple of years now. The depreciation is done – price depends on condition.

Similarly, I think (hope!) DB7 Vantage prices won't drop now, whereas GT-R's are falling nicely (for me as a prospective purchaser). As for new 911s, drive one out of the showroom and you've already lost the price of a good little fun car like a Fiat 500.

Posted by: Bjorn Oct 22 2009, 06:53 AM

Your assistant drove a Ruf?

I'll be your assistant for a salary allowing me to purchase a base 964, and a ringpass.

Posted by: Phix Oct 22 2009, 06:54 AM

Your /assistant/ could afford a Ruf Turbo?

...wow.

Posted by: b0mb3r Oct 22 2009, 07:23 AM

we are all in the wrong business...

Posted by: speedyK Oct 22 2009, 09:26 AM

He had a Fiat Punto when he started working for me. But worked hard and got a 964 Targa after a couple of years.

He got the Ruf after he finished working for me.

Has a lot to answer for, as he's the one who got me into tracking cars when i was frustrated about not being able to enjoy them fully on public roads biggrin.gif


Keeps trying to get me to go to the 'Ring – he went on a driving course there for the first time last year and has got the bug.

I'm steadfastly keeping my 'Ring driving virtual – currently with NFS SHIFT.

It's a lot cheaper to press the re-start button and doesn't hurt anything except your pride thumbs_up.gif


No way I'm taking the Aston!

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove Oct 23 2009, 12:56 PM

The ring is fine as long as you don't drive at 100% and you know where you are going.

Posted by: speedyK Oct 27 2009, 01:32 PM

^^^ I know of far too many people who have come back without their cars. And quite a lot of others have themselves never come back sad.gif
I'll keep my 'Ring driving virtual.




Was out in the Aston at the weekend. Talk about torque! Surfing a huge wave of it. Quite un-Lotus-like, but still enjoyable in a different way.





Posted by: speedyK Nov 6 2009, 06:11 PM

Last weekend we took the Aston for a run. To Germany.

The border is at a motorway. 80 km/h (50 mph) limit on the Swiss side.

The German side is unrestricted.

Within a minute of crossing over we were legally doing 270 km/h (170mph).

It just eats the miles thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: BlackJack Nov 6 2009, 07:14 PM

Jesus what does it feel like going at 170mph? I've only done 150 and that was a huge adrenaline rush right there.

Posted by: speedyK Nov 7 2009, 03:39 PM

The Aston was rock steady – no drama. Just have to be very aware of other vehicles.


My fastest road speed to date is 272 km/h in my 300ZX Twin Turbo – also completely drama free.

Just need a clear stretch to see if I can crack 300 km/h (the claimed Vmax is 298 km/h, so under the right conditions 300 should be possible).

Posted by: moe Nov 8 2009, 11:38 AM

I've decided I want to be Speedy when I grow up.

Posted by: speedyK Apr 13 2010, 02:37 PM

Just a short note to say that I'm collecting the Aston's replacement in two days.

It was never intended as a long-termer – more an itch to scratch (before driving a 6 litre V12 gets you lynched by a mob).



I'll post up some pics (hope the April weather will be kind) in a new thread (it deserves its own) when I get it thumbs_up.gif

Just two more nights to (try to) sleep smile.gif

Posted by: 911xx Apr 13 2010, 05:04 PM

GT-R cool.gif

Posted by: Razor Apr 13 2010, 05:10 PM

QUOTE(speedyK @ Apr 13 2010, 06:37 PM) *
Just a short note to say that I'm collecting the Aston's replacement in two days.

It was never intended as a long-termer – more an itch to scratch (before driving a 6 litre V12 gets you lynched by a mob).



I'll post up some pics (hope the April weather will be kind) in a new thread (it deserves its own) when I get it thumbs_up.gif

Just two more night to (try to) sleep smile.gif


Please please please be a GT-R! biggrin.gif

Posted by: BlackJack Apr 13 2010, 05:36 PM

giggity giggity giggity giggity giggity giggity goo!!

Posted by: speedyK Apr 14 2010, 02:37 AM

There have been too many issues with the Euro GT-Rs – the first ones all need an engine replacement (free, but the car has to go to Amsterdam) and it took a long time (too long) before Nissan offered this solution. On the 2010 MY, the engine problem should be sorted and cooling to the transmission has been improved – and they have sat nav and iPod connectivity now too. If they hold up well, I will be very tempted, but the 2009 cars turned out to be just too uncertain fo me to want to be an early adapter.

So, it's something else, not a GT-R!

Posted by: moe Apr 14 2010, 04:02 AM

YES! It's not a GT-R. Now I'm actually excited.

Posted by: Razor Apr 14 2010, 04:23 AM

QUOTE(moe @ Apr 14 2010, 08:02 AM) *
YES! It's not a GT-R. Now I'm actually excited.


I'm not taking your bait. Too bad it's not the best car in the world. tongue.gif

Posted by: dukenukem Apr 14 2010, 05:38 AM

Seems like rest of DS is more excited about your new car than you are. :S

Posted by: moe Apr 14 2010, 05:57 AM

QUOTE(Razor @ Apr 14 2010, 04:23 PM) *
I'm not taking your bait. Too bad it's not the best car in the world. tongue.gif


Yeah, too bad it isn't a McLaren F1. tongue.gif

Posted by: Razor Apr 14 2010, 06:19 AM

QUOTE(moe @ Apr 14 2010, 09:57 AM) *
Yeah, too bad it isn't a McLaren F1. tongue.gif


You do mean a Veyron, I'm assuming. A common mistake. tongue.gif

Posted by: 911xx Apr 14 2010, 06:28 AM

It's an R8.

Posted by: Razor Apr 14 2010, 06:41 AM

QUOTE(911xx @ Apr 14 2010, 10:28 AM) *
It's an R8.


No, he thinks Audi's styling isn't anything to look at.

Posted by: speedyK Apr 14 2010, 07:56 AM

Not an R8.

I wanted 2+2 capability again – and not quite as pricey as an R8! (But, if I wanted a 2-seater 4wd, a Gallardo would get my vote).

Posted by: Altostratus Apr 14 2010, 08:14 AM

370z?

Posted by: dukenukem Apr 14 2010, 08:26 AM

Subaru STi 22B ?

Posted by: Razor Apr 14 2010, 09:43 AM

Give us the country!

Posted by: moe Apr 14 2010, 09:45 AM

2+2, doesn't want a Porsche, probably doesn't want to lose much money on it since he still wants a GT-R. He liked the Maserati Coupe (4200 GT) if I remember correctly...

Posted by: Altostratus Apr 14 2010, 09:48 AM

the words depreciation" and "Maserati" go hand in hand, moe.

Posted by: moe Apr 14 2010, 09:54 AM

Yeah, didn't think that through. I just remembered him saying he liked the car when he was test driving for an Exige replacement.

Posted by: dukenukem Apr 14 2010, 09:56 AM

I bet its a toyota previa.

Posted by: Altostratus Apr 14 2010, 09:56 AM

everybody likes a maserati until they have to re-sell it

Posted by: speedyK Apr 14 2010, 10:27 AM

At my 17 yr-old daughter's request, we've just been out for a last burn in the Aston.

OMG, if there's one area where the replacement will not match it, it is in the sound devil.gif heart.gif

But, for just about any other aspect (apart from looks), the replacement crucifies the Aston.


Sound

and

looks... huh.gif – but aren't they quite important?


Yes, but the driving feel is even more important. The Aston is a majestic motorway muncher but is not really happy being pushed around winding roads – the new one devours them! DS_Naughty2.gif


More tomorrow thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: Kip_666 Apr 14 2010, 11:05 AM

Does it have an AMG badge?

Posted by: midnightdorifto Apr 14 2010, 08:06 PM

QUOTE(Kip_666 @ Apr 14 2010, 01:05 PM) *
Does it have an AMG badge?

Any AMG he'd be interested in would sound like a goddamn Messerschmitt, so that's out.

Posted by: 350Z Apr 15 2010, 01:17 AM

M3?

Posted by: moe Apr 15 2010, 03:32 AM

Evora? Only thing I can think of that doesn't sound epic, and devours corners that you'd want. Unless you bought an STI/Evo.

Posted by: Kip_666 Apr 15 2010, 06:34 AM

A Noble m12 or Ginetta something maybe heart.gif

/edit, nvm, not 2+2

Posted by: speedyK Apr 15 2010, 11:58 AM

The GT-R needs to prove itself here in Europe. So far, there have been too many problems with the 2009 MY. I will see how the revised 2010 cars do.

So, if I don't want to risk a GT-R, I have to admit that there is only one alterantive.

Here's my new toy:

997 4S manual in Midnight blue with Ocean blue leather interior, 21k miles, one (lady) owner, never tracked, accident-free.

Extras:
19J Sport design wheels
Adaptive sportsseats
Bose sound system
Elec. sunroof
Colourband in front screen
Integrated GSM handsfree telephone
Leather
Metallic paint
Sat nav
Park distance control
Rain sensor and auto dipping interior and exterior mirrors
Tyre pressure control system
Sport Chrono Plus packet
Cruise control
Coloured wheel centres
Aluminium gearlever
Sportsexhaust
5 mm spacers
Footmats with leather


Arrived in an archaic Aston at the porker centre and drove away in a totally sorted driving machine. I think it will do... for now.

Only had my Canon A650 IS with me, but stopped to take some snaps on my (long way around) home.











Here‘s the newey with it‘s kid brother this evening


Much as it pains me to say it, with the 997, Porsche have finally built car that I think is quite good. But the sound from the sports exhaust is pathetic compared to the supreme sound of the Aston's V12. Pity that the only other good things about the Aston were its brakes and its suave looks.

Posted by: clarkma5 Apr 15 2010, 12:19 PM

Awesome! Never thought you'd go the Porsche route but I'm glad you did...I love the way the 997 looks inside and out. I'm a little surprised you went the AWD route but everyone says they don't really give up anything to the RWD ones in terms of driving enjoyment these days. Love it thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: SwissWhiskey Apr 15 2010, 12:27 PM

Love the color!

Long way home? Via Graubόnden? Nice! What alpine passes did you do?

Posted by: speedyK Apr 15 2010, 12:57 PM

No that long.

I'm a bit wary of passes after my Speedster write-off on the Klausenpass...

Posted by: fiber optic Apr 15 2010, 01:29 PM

Sexy. Great color too. thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: moe Apr 15 2010, 01:43 PM

Well there's a surprise, the fact that it's the AWD isn't though. If it was a GT-R you wanted, then I guess a 4S makes sense. Congrats.

Posted by: infinity Apr 15 2010, 02:19 PM

I'm sure AWD comes handy in Switzerland during the winter, too

Posted by: speedyK Apr 15 2010, 03:01 PM

Nearly 70% of Porkers in Switzerland are 4wd.

Yes, obviously, all the Cayennes - but, equally obviously, none of the Boxsters/Caymans.

A lot of the 911s are – and not because they're all turbos!

Any way, normally only 5% of the drive goes to the front. You don't really notice it until you need it.

Look at this write-up:

http://www.topgear.com/uk/porsche/911/road-test/carrera-4s

Posted by: Synesthesia Apr 15 2010, 03:57 PM

Fantastic! Congrats.

Posted by: speedyK Apr 18 2010, 07:43 AM

A few new shots. I'm finding it harder to take striking pics of the 911 than with the Speedster, Exige or Smart Roadster-Coupι, because just about everyone's already seen 911s from all angles.

These taken with my 450D
























Taken with the Panny GF1 – a circular PL filter will be my next purchase.


Taken with my A650 IS


So far the car is great smile.gif

Posted by: Bjorn Apr 18 2010, 08:48 AM

I love the colour.

I am insanely jealous of all the DSers getting new fun cars. My new house only has parking for two cars (and my family has two cars), so I am going to be fun-car-less until I can afford both the car, and a place to keep it.

Posted by: 911xx Apr 18 2010, 11:57 AM

As always -- dandelions! tongue.gif Sweet pictures

Posted by: Altostratus Apr 18 2010, 01:56 PM

Dandelions are delicious.

couple handfuls of dandelion greens, some nice simple vinaigrette, pinch of Fleur De Sel ....yr in bidness.

Posted by: speedyK Apr 19 2010, 02:59 AM

QUOTE(911xx @ Apr 18 2010, 09:57 PM) *
As always -- dandelions! tongue.gif Sweet pictures


They add a bit of colour biggrin.gif

Posted by: b0mb3r Apr 19 2010, 08:37 AM

woah nice car smile.gif

and lol at porker comment smile.gif

Posted by: speedyK Jun 6 2010, 12:02 PM

Got myself some GT3 rims plus winter tyres.

As the SportsDesign rears currently on the car are 11" and with 305/30 tyres and the GT3 rims are 12" with 295/30 tyres, it makes sense to swap the tyres. But the Bridgestones on the car won't last that much longer, so I'll probably control myself and wait until a change is necessary.





Maybe I should just bolt them to the others! That should curb any tail heavy tendencies laugh.gif




Posted by: 4wheelfreak Jun 6 2010, 06:06 PM

Very nice! Is there much of a weight improvement?

Posted by: speedyK Jun 7 2010, 12:31 PM

No, but people who've done this say the handling feel is improved.

Posted by: speedyK Nov 11 2010, 03:37 PM

Update:

I bought the GT3 rims + winter tyres from a german banker working in Switzerland who hd them fitted to his 997 4S. I collected them from his local Corsche Centre (in Switzerland) – along with the necessary 40 mm spacers he had used.

Took them to my Porsche Centre .- and they said that they would fit them if I so wished, but I had to sign a paper that I had been informed that they are illegal in Switzerland for the 4S and that the police are trained to look for this sort of thing (now isn't that useful for everyone – good of the community, etc. rolleyes.gif ). They said if I was caught, I could be fined a month's salary. If I was caught a second time, I would be looking at a custodial jail sentence. Also, my insurance would be void – but it was my decision.

Bloody idiotic Swiss rules! head.gif The Porsche tech. guy said that of course there was absolutely no safety issue and that owners of all narrow-bodied 997s did fit these, as did owners of the wide-bodied ones – with the spacers – in Germany. Do it in Switzerland at your own risk.

Erm... let me think about that one.

No!

Anyway, I was able to sell the GT3 rims – at a profit – and keep the winter tyres. After toying with the idea of getting some guaranteed Swiss road-legal new OZ Superleggeras (with 12" rears) for the same money,


I decided to take the easy way out (no police hassle) and go for some used but as new Turbo II rims for a similar amount. Along with the Sport Design wheels that were on the car, I think that the Turbo II is one of the nicest OEM wheels, as it is not the boring, simple 5-spoke design. yet is not as complicated as the 997 Turbo I with the triple 5-spoke design.

I won't put these on until I change back to summer tyres, but I think they'll look good


Only 11" rears – but I suppose I could always look for some OZs and fit them with semi-slicks if I wanted to track it. Can't really justify doing that – but would love to.

Posted by: b0mb3r Nov 11 2010, 03:42 PM

let me get this straight... its illegal for you to fit GT3 tires on your 4S? because of the width?

Posted by: speedyK Nov 11 2010, 04:03 PM

The problem is that the GT3 is a narrow-bodied 997.

The GT3 rear wheel has a different offset to that of the wide-bodied ones. This means that a 40 mm spacer is required to set the tyre in the right place on a wide-bodied car. The 5 mm spacer that my Sprot Design rims have is accepted, but the 40 mm spacer is too horrifying for the Swiss authorities to contemplate (though Porsche think it is not a safety problem).

The OZ is a 12" wide rim, but with a suitable offset, so no big spacer is needed. Therefore, having complied with all the other necessary Swiss tests of course, the OZ is street legal.

But, with such an obviously non OEM mod, the cops would be on me like wasps around jam to check them out for legailty (we have to carry papers in the car for every mod that show that they have been registered, tested and approved by the vehicle authorities). I've got better things to do than produce papers every other journey!

Posted by: Razor Nov 11 2010, 04:06 PM

QUOTE(speedyK @ Nov 11 2010, 07:03 PM) *
The problem is that the GT3 is a narrow-bodied 997.

The GT3 rear wheel has a different offset to that of the wide-bodied ones. This means that a 40 mm spacer is required to set the tyre in the right place on a wide-bodied car. The 5 mm spacer that my Sprot Design rims have is accepted, but the 40 mm spacer is too horrifying for the Swiss authorities to contemplate (though Porsche think it is not a safety problem).

The OZ is a 12" wide rim, but with a suitable offset, so no big spacer is needed. Therefore, having complied with all the other necessary Swiss tests of course, the OZ is street legal.

But, with such an obviously non OEM mod, the cops would be on me like wasps around jam to check them out for legailty (we have to carry papers in the car for every mod that show that they have been registered, tested and approved by the vehicle authorities). I've got better things to do than produce papers every other journey!


Switzerland hates car enthusiasts... wtf.

Posted by: b0mb3r Nov 11 2010, 04:09 PM

oh i get it the issue are the spacers... i am guessing swiss authorities must really hate wheel adapters...

Posted by: MustangAficionado Nov 11 2010, 05:03 PM

1.5" spacers are pretty ghetto, I support the Swiss

Posted by: Aircooled Nov 11 2010, 05:13 PM

Yeah 40 mm is a pretty big gap.

Posted by: moe Nov 12 2010, 01:28 AM

Wow, I know it's been established before, but the Swiss authorities are ridiculously anal.

The biggest issue my friends and I have faced was since our cars have stripes (or different color roofs), the registration has to state that the car is two colors, not just the base color.

Posted by: Vadvagool Nov 12 2010, 01:40 AM

Wait...you get fined a MONTH's salary for a simple infraction like that??


Posted by: speedyK Nov 12 2010, 09:44 AM

Yeah, if you do something that is considered serious (although often perfectly legal in the country to the north on a similar road), you could pay a LOT more:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/40940


A million dollars – think about it.

Why do you think I try to get my kicks on a sim?

Incidentally, if I had the money that Swede has, a Pagani would be my choice, not an SLS (but maybe he has one as well eek.gif )

God, I love this car:

Posted by: speedyK Nov 18 2010, 11:18 AM

Collected the Turbo II rims today. Absolutely spotless thumbs_up.gif





I haven't gone to the trouble of weighing them, but they seem lighter than the GT3 ones were.

For the set, with wheel bolts, coloured centre caps and locking nuts, I paid about 40% of the new price – and these rims were only manufactured 12 months ago - and have hardly seen any miles.



Wish you could get the whole car a year old for 40%

Posted by: shandyman5 Nov 18 2010, 11:44 AM

^ I LOVE the Sportdesign wheel, by far my favorite wheel for the C4S! I am surprised you didn't go down to 18's for winter. My dad wants to go down to 18's, it also likes like they are a lot cheeper when it comes to tire replacement as well.

Posted by: speedyK Nov 18 2010, 02:15 PM

Yeah, I think the Sport design rims are something special – not the typical Porsche 5-spoke layout. But I wanted a second set of rims and the same again would be boring biggrin.gif

I got the winter tyres when I bought the GT3 rims – and what appealed there was the looks and the 12" rears – especially if I ever do track it. I effectively got the tyres for free after selling off the rims again. The cost of replacement won't be such a big deal as they'll last a whiole in general road use. I don't plan to do any drifting on abrasive surfaces cool.gif

The Turbo II were a straight bolt-on solution and I had looked at this rim with the Porsche tech guy at the Porsche Centre. He convinced me of their quality, even though I wasn't buying from them. Still think the OZ Superleggeras would be nice (with 12" rears) but I would lose money if I sold those. These Turbo rims have done a sizeable chunk of their depreciation – I hope! Also, they suit the angular rear threequarter window line of a Targa 4S even better wink.gif

The wheels on the Sport Classic they had in the showroom were nice – but i didn't think they really suit a midnight blue car.

Posted by: Aircooled Nov 18 2010, 02:47 PM

I love the Fuchs style sport classic wheels. You could have them refinished in a different color if you're the above and beyond type of guy.

Posted by: speedyK Nov 18 2010, 02:59 PM

Or just stick with black and get a white Targa 4S. I think I could live with that combo thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: speedyK Feb 15 2011, 09:33 AM

Though I've had the car since early last year, I've not really had a chance to explore its limits. On dry roads, the grip and traction is phenomenal – and on wet ones I didn't really want to experiment.

The Ice and Snow driver training event that my Porsche Centre invited me to was a great opportunity to find just what the car could or could not do.

A course that is only used in winter, with a fairly flat main section and a twisty, hilly bit art one end. In the middle, a large area to try drifting with impunity. The only problems being a couple of very substantial power pylons with concrete footings adjacent to the track – oh and parallel to the main back straight, the slight inconvenience of a steep bank running down to some trees – and a river! freaked.gif

It was -5°C when we started


We started out by being shown the course – in both directions, then doing some car control:

- slaloms along a course of cones
– drifting around around a circle of cones
- emergency stops on the crest of a hill
- U-turn flat out in reverse (spin the car in its own axis and then continue in first gear)
– handbrake turn in the car's own axis to go through 180, then immediately do a U-turn to go into first gear again and continue.

Those who were waiting their turn could do laps of the circuit in the meantime – including a nice right-left-left-right detour around a frozen pond near the hospitality building. Here's me taking the first right turn there for the Porsche photographer biggrin.gif



The cars were mainly 911s. A handful of Cayennes. One Panamera – and a Golf R Twin Clutch (with 310bhp) that was a Porsche owner's winter car.


Couple more pics






I met up with an old mate of mine from way back when we both had Matras. He'd just sold his 997 4S after 5 years (identical to mine, but white) to replace it with a new Macademia Brown 997 Turbo Twin Clutch.


We swapped cars, so I had a chance to try the latest, improved 4wd system and Porsche twin clutch. My verdict: very nice, but less fun than a manual at an event like this. Not worth twice mine – to me!

I really didn't know what to expect once the limits of adhesion were reached. Would the laws of physics be waiting to mercilessly savage me for any excesses?

Before this weekend, I had a very great respect for the competence of the car – for the whole package. This event was a real eye-opener. The car can deliver up to 40% drive to the front – and that was enough to get up icy hills along with the Cayennes. Furthermore, you can really steer it on the throttle superbly (once you have the confidence). It was fantastic fun – especially towards the end when others stayed in the hospitality tent. I and a handfull of others went out again – the others staying mostly on the central drifting area. I was in rapture with the car in sport mode with the exhaust open – charging as fast as possible down the straights (the one limited by a rise which would make the car bottom out at 60km/h or more and the other by the slightly unnerving presence of the river!) to flick it into the corners.

I did spin it several times early on – the whole idea was to find out what was possible and what not. Afterwards, in the afternoon I was at the limit – and sometimes slightly over it – but managed to keep it out of the river (just). The most unnerving moments were on that back straight. I got loads of video with the GoPro and the fastest speed I saw was about 90 km/h. Still very dicey stuff – the last couple of minutes show me enjoying myself alone on the circuit – I was out for quite a while tongue.gif They flagged me down to say they were going home and if I never run out of petrol.

I had re-filled at lunchtime, so had plenty fuel despite only being in 1st, 2nd and, rarely, 3rd gear. At the end, I still had about 7/8 of a tankful – but the computer was showing enough fuel for just over 100km tongue.gif It improved all the way home to over twice that. Weird to see it telling you you can go further with every mile biggrin.gif

This video is a summary. The hairy bits are at the end when I was taking it flat out – going down the straight by the river giving it armfuls of lock in both directions to keep it straight was the most dramatic part freaked.gif

I now have a similar enthusiasm for this car as a object for entertainment to that for the Exige. Coming home, I wanted to wave to an on-coming fellow 911 driver – though, sadly, because a lot of drivers buy it as a status symbol and never explore or even wish to explore its limits, that would be silly. After all, my own car's previous owner used it to go to the golf course, airport, etc. – may as well have had a Daihatsu Copen tongue.gif
T2nYjQK8464

Posted by: bankE46 Feb 15 2011, 09:50 AM

Awesome stuff man, thanks for the write-up and the video!

Posted by: shandyman5 Feb 15 2011, 07:46 PM

Awesome write up speedy! looks like a blast, if you want i can give you a way to mount the Go-Pro in the center of the car so you can see yourself shifting and get a better view of the interior and out the front window.

Posted by: Synesthesia Feb 16 2011, 06:03 AM

Agreed, thanks Speedy. Looks fun, I like that downhill lefthander.. biggrin.gif

Posted by: speedyK Feb 18 2011, 01:49 PM

QUOTE(shandyman5 @ Feb 16 2011, 04:46 AM) *
Awesome write up speedy! looks like a blast, if you want i can give you a way to mount the Go-Pro in the center of the car so you can see yourself shifting and get a better view of the interior and out the front window.

Yeah, I noticed the vid of your dad's 4S had it centrally mounted and wondered what he used. As long as it is a simple, reversible solution, I'm interested thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: speedyK Mar 1 2011, 12:40 PM

My Porsche Centre sent me some more pics of me in action at that Ice & Snow training day.

On the circuit




On the drifting circle


Hooning

Posted by: shandyman5 Mar 1 2011, 02:16 PM

QUOTE(speedyK @ Feb 18 2011, 04:49 PM) *
Yeah, I noticed the vid of your dad's 4S had it centrally mounted and wondered what he used. As long as it is a simple, reversible solution, I'm interested thumbs_up.gif


Speedy, I apologize I have not gotten back to you yet. I had a family matter last week, and this past weekend was my birthday. I will send you a pm tonight or tommorow.

Posted by: speedyK Mar 1 2011, 02:36 PM

thumbs_up.gif

No problem. I've not got anything planned – though my mate with the Ruf 964 RS Turbo and another with a Gallardo Superleggera have asked me to go to Hockenheim with them...


tempted, but with that money I could set up a whole triple screen / 3D PC driving sim system which would probably give me more fun in the longterm...




would still like to know your dad's set-up though smile.gif

Posted by: KenPeterson Mar 23 2011, 04:07 AM

hi I am new to here...
And i am glad to see your pictures..beautiful car dude.congratulation

Posted by: speedyK Mar 23 2011, 03:45 PM

Welcome – and thanks! cool.gif

You talking about the Aston or the Porker?

Posted by: KenPeterson Mar 23 2011, 09:19 PM

I am talking about your Porsche Pic which are above listed and i also saw Aston pic...thats cool

Posted by: speedyK Mar 24 2011, 04:22 AM

If you like those pics, you'll probably like these too:

http://forums.dieselstation.com/index.php?showtopic=18813&st=0&start=0

http://forums.dieselstation.com/index.php?showtopic=25658&hl=Exige&st=0

http://forums.dieselstation.com/index.php?showtopic=19566&hl=Exige

Posted by: speedyK Apr 9 2011, 12:10 PM

I now have the Turbo II rims on my car (with 5mm spacers, as with the Sport Design rims). They are exactly the same dimensions.










Posted by: SwissWhiskey Apr 9 2011, 12:27 PM

They look great! Nice choice.

Seems like you took advantage of the good weather this (last?) weekend.

Posted by: Aircooled Apr 9 2011, 06:03 PM

I thought spacers were illegal where you live

Posted by: speedyK Apr 10 2011, 03:34 AM

The 40mm spacers to push the 12" rears of the narrow-bodied GT3's rims to the right position were not allowed, but 5mm to extend the correct 11" wide-body rims is.

OZ Superleggeras would be available in the correct offset and with a 12" rear – and are road-legal here. If I was seriously going to track it, that woulkd be an option (though they would lose money fast from their new price and the mint Turbo II rims had already done a big chunk of depreciation when I got them).

While the rims were being swapped over and I wandered around teh Porsche Centre showroom, I saw these (same size as stock) and wondered if they would have been OK too


But I think these Turbo IIs allow plenty of air to the discs and they feel really light thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: 911xx Apr 10 2011, 05:35 PM

Magnifique Porsche.

Posted by: speedyK May 2 2011, 01:36 PM

It's time to play the guessing game again laugh.gif



Last week, I had some very interesting motoring experiences which provoked some deep thoughts.

I went, with my wife, in the 9974S to look at a car that had attracted me.

The car that I viewed was in good enough condition to merit a test drive. The (private) seller was happy for me to take it out alone, but I asked him to come along and advise me where to drive, as I wasn't familiar with the area.

I spent most of the next half hour whipping the car along winding, dipping country roads. I was taking the car to about 9/10ths – and loving it!

Now this was a coupι, an old coupι. But it felt wonderfully light and sweetly balanced. It was mid-engined.

It was an idyllic situation: open country roads with perfect weather thrown in for good measure.

But this car had no air con – let alone climate control, no cruise control, no sat nav, no CD changer (just a stereo radio-cassette deck), no remote locking – not even central locking. It has no airbags – it doesn't even have ABS – let alone traction control. The seats are not as supportive as the 997's and the headrest is too short. But I still felt comfortable enough.


Furthermore, it had no targa top, not even a sunroof. It had no fuel injection – and it struggled to deliver the power smoothly through its carbs – which really should be fed with leaded petrol. It also has far less bhp and was far slower than the 997.


But – and it's a big but – when I got back into the 997, despite its adaptive sports seat holding me absolutely rock solid and my head perfectly supported against the headrest, it didn't feel as appealing. Solid, superbly built and honed to teutonic perfection – but not as appealing – to me.

And, when I took the Porsche along similar lanes, it was simply massively competent at dealing with them. To push the car as I pushed my test drive car, I would have had to go hugely faster. I didn't – and thus the driving experience was less involving.


In the Porsche, we cruised through the slow areas with the sunroof open and climate control modulating the temperature. One touch of a button and the roof was hermetically sealed, one push of my right foot and the car hurls itself forward with absolutely sure-footed perfect traction. The Bose multi-speaker sound system giving us perfect ICE and the sat nav demurely guiding us. It is a superbly capable and comfortable car – and I can understand those who only want to drive a 911 and nothing else...

it is also just as able to deliver on a cold, dark slush-soaked motorway and to get you home quickly and safely when you don't really care that much about driver involvement.



I highlighted something that wasn't quite as it should be on the test car and the owner agreed to take it to his garage for them to look at. I agreed to contact him later.

My wife asked me if I was considering buying it (very positive state of affairs thumbs_up.gif ). It's so cheap that I could have it in addition to the 997 – though I was trying to stop my car count from creeping up again rolleyes.gif

Few could understand my enjoying this old thing over a 997 and would never consider choosing it instead – and even I would probably prefer to be in the 997 for the majority of the time. But I think the 997 is actually too competent to be entertaining most of the time.



Well, tonight I have done the deal biggrin.gif

Old, cheap, simple, mid-engined coupι thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: Razor May 2 2011, 01:43 PM

Ferrari?

Posted by: speedyK May 2 2011, 01:51 PM

I wouldn't call any Ferrari exactly cheap.


This is for the sort of money that gets an extra set of rims and tyres for a 997.

Posted by: Razor May 2 2011, 01:56 PM

QUOTE(speedyK @ May 2 2011, 05:51 PM) *
I wouldn't call any Ferrari exactly cheap.


This is for the sort of money that gets an extra set of rims and tyres for a 997.


Ah; because you said it needed fixing and because of the description of the car I assumed it could be a mid-80s Ferrari (those can be had for pretty cheap IIRC).

So, what continent manufactured/built it?

Posted by: Aircooled May 2 2011, 02:17 PM

Lancia Stratos/Montecarlo
Fiat X1/9
Lamborghini Countach/Muira/Jalpa/Urraco
Lotus Esprit/Europa
Maserati Merak

Posted by: speedyK May 2 2011, 02:38 PM

It was only a detail that needed sorting. The car runs well and is in great condition. It isn't expensive because it isn't that exotic.

What continent? Well, it wasn't from the Americas – how's that for a start? cool.gif

Posted by: Razor May 2 2011, 03:04 PM

QUOTE(speedyK @ May 2 2011, 06:38 PM) *
It was only a detail that needed sorting. The car runs well and is in great condition. It isn't expensive because it isn't that exotic.

What continent? Well, it wasn't from the Americas – how's that for a start? cool.gif


Has America ever created a credible mid-engine non-exotic car?

Posted by: 350Z May 2 2011, 03:06 PM

You got me on this one but your test drive post made me think of the GTR that you are aiming for in the future, I can't remember if you said you had driven one yet but I would think that it would feel even more competent than the Porsche and therefore even less involving.

Posted by: speedyK May 2 2011, 03:18 PM

QUOTE(Razor @ May 3 2011, 01:04 AM) *
Has America ever created a credible mid-engine non-exotic car?


Well, the Pontiac Fiero was on Car and Driver magazine's Ten Best list for 1984.





Just to be clear – it is NOT a Fiero – nor is it a (front-engined¨) GT-R (and you don't get those for "set of rims" money anyway!).

Posted by: Aircooled May 2 2011, 04:53 PM

So none of my guesses were correct?

Posted by: shandyman5 May 2 2011, 07:42 PM

QUOTE(Razor @ May 2 2011, 07:04 PM) *
Has America ever created a credible mid-engine non-exotic car?


This may be a stupid question, but how many mid-engine non-exotic cars are out there?

Posted by: Razor May 2 2011, 07:49 PM

QUOTE(shandyman5 @ May 2 2011, 11:42 PM) *
This may be a stupid question, but how many mid-engine non-exotic cars are out there?


Quite a few. MR2, Fiat X1/9, Renault 5 Turbo, various Porsches, NSX (dunno if you wanna count that) and then a SHIT TON of FMR cars (I only listed RMR).

Posted by: shandyman5 May 2 2011, 08:04 PM

QUOTE(Razor @ May 2 2011, 11:49 PM) *
Quite a few. MR2, Fiat X1/9, Renault 5 Turbo, various Porsches, NSX (dunno if you wanna count that) and then a SHIT TON of FMR cars (I only listed RMR).


Late night.... durrr durrr durrr.

Posted by: speedyK May 3 2011, 02:59 AM

QUOTE(Aircooled @ May 3 2011, 02:53 AM) *
So none of my guesses were correct?

Nope. But they were good guesses if that's any consolation biggrin.gif thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: 911xx May 3 2011, 03:46 AM

Is it a Toyota MR-2.

Posted by: Altostratus May 3 2011, 06:26 AM

karmann ghia ?

he did say it was carb'd

Posted by: speedyK May 3 2011, 08:36 AM

QUOTE(911xx @ May 3 2011, 01:46 PM) *
Is it a Toyota MR-2.

No.

QUOTE(Altostratus @ May 3 2011, 04:26 PM) *
karmann ghia ?

That's rear-engined.

Posted by: Synesthesia May 3 2011, 08:45 AM

QUOTE(Razor @ May 2 2011, 11:49 PM) *
Quite a few. MR2, Fiat X1/9, Renault 5 Turbo, various Porsches, NSX (dunno if you wanna count that) and then a SHIT TON of FMR cars (I only listed RMR).


I kind of just assumed it was RMR from Speedy's description... is that true Speedy? biggrin.gif


QUOTE(911xx @ May 3 2011, 07:46 AM) *
Is it a Toyota MR-2.


Nah, carbs.

Posted by: speedyK May 3 2011, 10:00 AM

Classic rear mid-engined, not front mid-engined.

Posted by: Razor May 3 2011, 10:04 AM

In other news, if it's a Renault Turbo 5, I LOVE YOU.

Posted by: Kip_666 May 3 2011, 10:25 AM

French brand, Mclaren stole an important detail from it for one of their cars? biggrin.gif
1980's ?

Posted by: SwissWhiskey May 3 2011, 11:05 AM

Renault Alpine

Posted by: speedyK May 3 2011, 12:41 PM

Alpines are rear-engined.

I'm collecting it at the weekend and I'll post up some pics then. Not saying anymore for now wink.gif

Posted by: moe May 3 2011, 09:57 PM

Lotus Europa

Posted by: Matt_L May 4 2011, 06:06 AM

I call Porsche 914/4 or 914/6 !

Posted by: moe May 4 2011, 06:47 AM

QUOTE
Furthermore, it had no targa top, not even a sunroof.


You guys are missing this. Also it's a coupe, so it's not a mid-engined hot hatch.

I'm sticking with the Lotus Europa. It's the only car I can think of.

Posted by: Synesthesia May 4 2011, 08:13 AM

QUOTE(moe @ May 4 2011, 10:47 AM) *
You guys are missing this. Also it's a coupe, so it's not a mid-engined hot hatch.

I'm sticking with the Lotus Europa. It's the only car I can think of.


Hmm... are they really that cheap? That'd be a good one though.

Posted by: Aircooled May 4 2011, 08:56 AM

QUOTE(moe @ May 4 2011, 10:47 AM) *
I'm sticking with the Lotus Europa. It's the only car I can think of.


Already guessed that. Not a europa

Posted by: Bjorn May 4 2011, 08:57 AM

Old Europas are dirt cheap from my experience. They are also sinfully ugly. I hope Speedy got something a bit more pretty.

I could see a 914-6 . . . there was a performance package that welded a stabilizer bar between the targa top and windshield that would have made it a coupe.

Posted by: Matt_L May 4 2011, 10:26 AM

QUOTE(Bjorn @ May 4 2011, 12:57 PM) *
Old Europas are dirt cheap from my experience. They are also sinfully ugly. I hope Speedy got something a bit more pretty.

I could see a 914-6 . . . there was a performance package that welded a stabilizer bar between the targa top and windshield that would have made it a coupe.


^^ This


Posted by: speedyK May 7 2011, 03:10 PM

Collecting it tomorrow afternoon biggrin.gif

Small clue: the manufacturer has an impressive racing history thumbs_up.gif



Downside is that my wife asks if I'm going to sell the 997, as I "don't need it now" huh.gif shocked.gif DS_Oh.gif ohmy.gif blink.gif oh.gif

Posted by: `nT May 7 2011, 04:47 PM

Stratos

Posted by: shandyman5 May 7 2011, 07:48 PM

QUOTE(speedyK @ May 7 2011, 07:10 PM) *
Collecting it tomorrow afternoon biggrin.gif

Small clue: the manufacturer has an impressive racing history thumbs_up.gif



Downside is that my wife asks if I'm going to sell the 997, as I "don't need it now" huh.gif shocked.gif DS_Oh.gif ohmy.gif blink.gif oh.gif


I think you need to lose the wife. DS_Naughty2.gif

Posted by: speedyK May 9 2011, 02:30 PM

QUOTE(Kip_666 @ May 3 2011, 08:25 PM) *
French brand, Mclaren stole an important detail from it for one of their cars? biggrin.gif
1980's ?


I ignored this comment at the time, but

Well done! biggrin.gif thumbs_up.gif

http://forums.dieselstation.com/index.php?showtopic=34189

Though McLaren put the driver in the middle which is less practical.

Posted by: Repossed Cars Jun 16 2011, 06:47 PM

nice cars.. u have a lots' of cars.. rich man. Good Job!

Posted by: speedyK Jun 18 2011, 11:26 AM

Most of them were not that expensive thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: speedyK Oct 2 2011, 07:17 AM

Took my daughter to a "Sports driving" instruction day at an airfield, where the instruction was orientated to car control.


I knew it would do her good and that the Pug 106 GTI was an ideal car for it... for her. She loved it and did really well biggrin.gif






I took the Porker for my use – and it was excellent thumbs_up.gif






Short clip:




Longer clip showing the Pug too:




In view of how fantastic the Porker was, I shall not be getting rid of it for a Mιgane Trophy... but I might get a Clio Cup or Cooper S (possibly John Cooper Works) as well...

Posted by: SwissWhiskey Oct 2 2011, 10:19 AM

Thanks for sharing! What was the name of the event? I live an hour away from Interlaken (Langenthal). I'd like to send my younger brother to something similar so understands the limits better. (Could maybe also be interesting for me).

Posted by: speedyK Oct 2 2011, 10:45 AM

http://www.fahrkurs.ch/fahrkurs-de/interlaken/index.asp?navid=17

Their next event is a "Snow & Ice" one at the end of the year in Saanen:

http://www.fahrkurs.ch/fahrkurs-de/saanen/index.asp?navid=25

Posted by: Altostratus Oct 3 2011, 06:27 AM

see if you can find a Mini GP. excellent track toy

Posted by: shandyman5 Oct 3 2011, 08:25 AM

I cannot believe you call a C4S a porker.....

Posted by: Bjorn Oct 3 2011, 09:47 AM

Please tell me you're joking.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=porker&page=2

Entry #11

Posted by: shandyman5 Oct 3 2011, 10:11 AM

QUOTE(Bjorn @ Oct 3 2011, 01:47 PM) *
Please tell me you're joking.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=porker&page=2

Entry #11


HOLY SHIT! I have never heard of that before....

Posted by: Bjorn Oct 3 2011, 10:38 AM

I suspect it's either related to this, or this was a comment on the title.


Posted by: shandyman5 Oct 3 2011, 04:06 PM

^ Interesting, never knew that.

Posted by: Bjorn Oct 3 2011, 06:25 PM

As someone who likes Porsche, you should spend some time learning about the company's history, it's pretty amazing.

Posted by: shandyman5 Oct 3 2011, 06:35 PM

QUOTE(Bjorn @ Oct 3 2011, 10:25 PM) *
As someone who likes Porsche, you should spend some time learning about the company's history, it's pretty amazing.


LOL, I know a ton about their history as I not only love them and have two Porsche's in the family stable but I also intern'd for a Porsche dealer over the summer. Not only that but I was lucky enough to have spent a week in Buford, GA at the dealer owner's LeMan's race team headquarters. His son and Sascha Maassen are the two driver's and they drive the team's 911 RSR. I got a lot out of this summer with the internship I had. It was great! thumbs_up.gif

It was just something I had never heard of that's all. X.gif

Posted by: Razor Oct 4 2011, 03:53 AM

QUOTE(shandyman5 @ Oct 3 2011, 10:35 PM) *
LOL, I know a ton about their history as I not only love them and have two Porsche's in the family stable but I also intern'd for a Porsche dealer over the summer. Not only that but I was lucky enough to have spent a week in Buford, GA at the dealer owner's LeMan's race team headquarters. His son and Sascha Maassen are the two driver's and they drive the team's 911 RSR. I got a lot out of this summer with the internship I had. It was great! thumbs_up.gif

It was just something I had never heard of that's all. X.gif


I felt for them at PLM... sucks about the clutch issues. Always a pain in the ass when a team can't do as well as they should have because of bad luck like that. :-/

Such is ALMS racing, though. There's always next season. Sebring can't come soon enough.

Posted by: speedyK Oct 4 2011, 09:50 AM

QUOTE(Altostratus @ Oct 3 2011, 04:27 PM) *
see if you can find a Mini GP. excellent track toy

Nah – only a two-seater. My daughter already complains that all the new small hot cars such as RenaultSport Clio, Cooper S, Abarth 500 Esseesse, etc. only have 4 seats in comparison to the (smaller!) Pug 106 GTI's 5 seats.

Our Smart Brabus Xclusive Roadster-coupι is not an ideal track tool with its semi auto box and the Matra Murena is a bit old.

If she wanted a 2-seater, best value for money / driving sophistication / chassis purity is the Opel Speedster/Vauxhall VX220.


But she'd rather have more seats and a hatch – and I'm happier for her to learn more in a tough fwd hatch than in a mid-engined 2-seater at the mo.

Posted by: Bjorn Oct 4 2011, 11:08 AM

^you should be happy about fewer seats. It's been shown that young people drive worse the more people are in the car.

Posted by: speedyK Oct 4 2011, 04:54 PM

^ I don't doubt that – but she still prefers more than two seats.

Posted by: shandyman5 Oct 4 2011, 09:02 PM

QUOTE(Razor @ Oct 4 2011, 07:53 AM) *
I felt for them at PLM... sucks about the clutch issues. Always a pain in the ass when a team can't do as well as they should have because of bad luck like that. :-/

Such is ALMS racing, though. There's always next season. Sebring can't come soon enough.


I know... Glad to see you cheering for them Nick, I really appreciate that. If not cheering for them well then I am glad you're at least noticing them. thumbs_up.gif


I am looking forward to seeing you at Lime Rock next year! Also, your right Sebring cannot come fast enough! DS_Naughty2.gif

Posted by: speedyK Oct 5 2011, 11:48 AM

The question is, is a new, fully loaded Renaultsport Clio with the Cup chassis really worth twice as much and is it twice as much fun as a fully loaded 2006 Cooper S JCW (including sunroof, which is not an option on the Clio)?

Posted by: Bjorn Oct 5 2011, 03:41 PM

Sunroofs ruin CoG!

Posted by: speedyK Oct 5 2011, 04:27 PM

Well, I agree that they are weight in the wrong place – and I do take that into consideration, but the benefits outweigh the negative aspects for me...

Posted by: shandyman5 Oct 5 2011, 04:36 PM

QUOTE(speedyK @ Oct 5 2011, 08:27 PM) *
Well, I agree that they are weight in the wrong place – and I do take that into consideration, but the benefits outweigh the negative aspects for me...


Speedy! I agree with you again! I love sunroofs!!!!! I hate convertible's for my own cars, but love them if they are someone else's. A sunroof is the perfect balance.

EDIT: Speedy, is that your car???? If so why did I always think you had a 997.2?

Posted by: speedyK Oct 6 2011, 02:00 AM

Yep, it's mine.







I posted these pics earlier in the thread, so no idea why you thought it was 2wd...
A few more recent ones















Posted by: Bjorn Oct 6 2011, 03:47 AM

I was mostly joking, I do love a sunroof. My FB RX-7 had a gigantic one you would pop out and put in the trunk . . . the car was 90 per cent targa without it in place. Some of my best car-related memories involve driving that car with the windows down and the roof off.

I would avoid it though on a performance car . . . but that's just because if I did get one it would be a weekend car, and I wouldn't want to compromise on things like CoG and roof rigidity.

Posted by: shandyman5 Oct 6 2011, 05:02 AM

Speedy, I am sorry I should have been more specific. I knew your car was a Carrera 4S, I was saying how I always thought it was a 997 Generation 2. It looks like you have the generation one based off the fact that you don't have the front L.E.D lights or the rear L.E.D tailights.


Like This:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/853/img00174201103201427115.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/img00164201103191102108.jpg/

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Posted by: speedyK Oct 6 2011, 08:43 AM

biggrin.gif

My wife would have killed me if I'd bought the face lift model. She thinks the one I got was too expensive!


Now, back to my hot hatch quest:

The Mιgane RS Trophy can be had with Recaro seats trimmed in leather. But, when I tried to spec up a Clio with those seats, the configurator kept refusing. Recaros only available in cloth!

To make sure, I phoned the salesman at the main dealer where I took my test drive last week. After checking, he confirmed that laether for the Recaros is NOT an option on the Clio. When I commented that it was frustrating and hard to understand, he said that it is probably because they are not built at the same place. I informed him that, to the best of my knowledge, they are both built in Diepppe for RenaultSport by Alpine rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

So, no sunroof option with the Cup chassis and no leather on the Recaros sad.gif Do Renault not want to sell me a car?!

And, for half the price, I could get a used Cooper S with both...

OTOH, there is a new Clio RS with the spec I want (apart from the fact that the Recaros are cloth and it has no reversing radar – the latter mainly for the women of my household!!!) at CHF 5k off list...

Posted by: Bjorn Oct 6 2011, 10:27 AM

Why do you want leather performance seats? I find leather too slippery in sporting situations.

Posted by: Razor Oct 6 2011, 12:48 PM

QUOTE(Bjorn @ Oct 6 2011, 02:27 PM) *
Why do you want leather performance seats? I find leather too slippery in sporting situations.


Leather's only slippery if the seats aren't designed to be sport seats anyway: my U.S.-spec R32 seats are buckets lite (more support than most but not nearly as much as, say, even Evo/STI seats) and I am always firmly planted.

Posted by: OHirtenfelder Oct 6 2011, 11:27 PM

I'm not saying that either of the two options are better, but I just find that a set of proper sports seats (i.e. Recaros) should be trimmed in cloth, not leather. Juts my 2c.
Do it speedy!

Posted by: shandyman5 Oct 7 2011, 07:16 AM

QUOTE(Bjorn @ Oct 6 2011, 02:27 PM) *
Why do you want leather performance seats? I find leather too slippery in sporting situations.


I find it is definitely the seat design more than the material, but an unsupportive seat is definitely more supportive in cloth than leather.... but then again both suck if the seat sucks.

QUOTE(Razor @ Oct 6 2011, 04:48 PM) *
Leather's only slippery if the seats aren't designed to be sport seats anyway: my U.S.-spec R32 seats are buckets lite (more support than most but not nearly as much as, say, even Evo/STI seats) and I am always firmly planted.


AGREED!!!!!!!

QUOTE(OHirtenfelder @ Oct 7 2011, 03:27 AM) *
I'm not saying that either of the two options are better, but I just find that a set of proper sports seats (i.e. Recaros) should be trimmed in cloth, not leather. Juts my 2c.
Do it speedy!


Nope, Leather.

Posted by: Razor Oct 7 2011, 07:32 AM

Daily driver: leather.

Race car: cloth.

/thread

Posted by: Bjorn Oct 7 2011, 08:48 AM

I personally hate leather in a car. If it's hot you stick to it, if it's cold you freeze your ass off.

I've only had leather in one car I've owned, and swore never again.

Posted by: shandyman5 Oct 7 2011, 11:21 AM

QUOTE(Bjorn @ Oct 7 2011, 12:48 PM) *
I personally hate leather in a car. If it's hot you stick to it, if it's cold you freeze your ass off.

I've only had leather in one car I've owned, and swore never again.


That's why you get heated an air conditioned seats smile.gif

Posted by: speedyK Oct 7 2011, 01:00 PM

Went back to the Renault main agent and talked to the salesman.

Told him that the Mιgane Trophy could not replace the 997 for me (which he understood) and that both my wife and daughter felt it too big to replace the 106.

So... time to take out a Clio cup!

As it was wet weather, we spared the brand new one on the showroom floor next to the Mιgane Trophy – and I took out a used one.

It was slightly tweaked for track use:
De-catted and full Akrapovic exhaust system, Sparco 6-point belts (plus the 3-points), spacers and semi slicks – but on stock cup wheels. Not actually road-legal with that exhaust – and the fixed Sparco seats mean that it is now a 2-seater – though the salesman thought that the original Recaros were still available on this customer car to revert a 4-seater.








Within metres, the exhaust was irritating me (though I began to enjoy blipping the throttle on the downshift with the perfectly placed pedals).

It also very quickly became apparent that the Clio Cup is better tied down than the Mιgane. There was none of the floating feeling that the Mιgane exhibited when attacking corners at speed on the same test route. The lack of an LSD was apparent in the the damp hairpins, but it wasn't a huge problem. In fact, driving this mountain road was really a delight and the Clio felt even better (more precise and responsive) than the 106, despite the Clio's extra size and weight thumbs_up.gif thumbs_up.gif thumbs_up.gif

The gear change is slick and positive, with short throws. The engine revs up happily and progressively to its audible change-up warner and felt really willing. Far nicer than the forced rush of the turbo'd Mιgane which seems to run out of breath un-satisfyingly soon. This was great – equal to the Pug's peppy little engine. Various car mags have warned that this is the last chance to get an ace N/A hot hatch new – all the rivals and the Clio's successor have gone the forced induction route. Sounds like a good reason to buy to me! thumbs_up.gif

The brakes were irreproachable too – great feel and immense stopping power.

All in all, it is clearly better than the Pug – and that takes some doing – this was approaching Exige Cup levels of precision thumbs_up.gif thumbs_up.gif thumbs_up.gif

Pity that it is only a 4-seater, but I have found a worthy replacement for my trusty 106 GTI – though I like it for what it can do, not for the way it looks – inside (plastiiiiiiic!) or outside (zzzzz).





I did sit in a new Cooper S for comparison's sake.

The steering wheel is noticeably offset to the outside,


the seats don't grip so well, but I have to say that the quality of the cabin materials is in a higher category than Renault, despite the OTT design. I liked the compact dimensions and easy to judge shape. Didn't have time for a test drive. Don't know if I'll bother, as all the tests I've read favour the Clio Cup as the driver's choice...

I am absolutely convinced by the Clio cup's dynamic abilities – there is no doubt that this is a worthy stable mate for the 997 thumbs_up.gif cool.gif

Time to talk prices – with the salesman...
and with my wife! eek.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: speedyK Oct 7 2011, 03:52 PM

Annoyingly, you can get leather Recaros for the Clio in the UK! head.gif
http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/roadcars/clioaccessories/Default.aspx

Posted by: speedyK Oct 8 2011, 02:46 AM

According to one track test, one is well-served with the stock Renaultsport sports seats which offer quote "good support at hip and shoulder". They also have anti-submarining, adjustable height and lumbar support – and can be had in leather


for 3/4 the price of the cloth Recaros – which were OK in the Mιgane Trophy I drove, but don't have adjustable lumbar support and get criticized in a couple of reports for being mounted a bit high


I will have to try the new Clio RS Cup in the showroom when the weather is better – that has the stock RS seats (in cloth).

Interestingly, in one review I read comparing hot hatches (which the Clio won), one tester commented, "If Porsche were to build a hot hatch, the result would be the Clio Cup".

Posted by: speedyK Oct 9 2011, 07:47 AM

Just bought a car! biggrin.gif

More later thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: shandyman5 Oct 9 2011, 05:04 PM

QUOTE(speedyK @ Oct 9 2011, 11:47 AM) *
Just bought a car! biggrin.gif

More later thumbs_up.gif


Gee, I wonder what you got.... rolleyes.gif

LOL, Congrats!

Posted by: Razor Oct 9 2011, 05:28 PM

Wait, so who's going to be driving this new one?

Posted by: speedyK Oct 10 2011, 02:46 AM

Family runaround (to replace the 106 GTI) – wife and daughter (and younger daughter when she gets round to starting).

The elder daughter is really looking forward to driving it cool.gif

She can accompany me to Hockenheim next year and do the national racing licence course to continue her driving education thumbs_up.gif

Insurance arranged. Just need to collect it now smile.gif

Posted by: OHirtenfelder Oct 10 2011, 06:05 AM

I think we can guess what it is DS_Naughty2.gif

My question, and the most important one: Is the 106 staying or going?

I really, really hope it's staying... rolleyes.gif

Posted by: speedyK Oct 10 2011, 06:34 AM

QUOTE(OHirtenfelder @ Oct 10 2011, 04:05 PM) *
I really, really hope it's staying... rolleyes.gif

8 cars is a little excessive… as mentioned, the idea is to replace the 106... even though it is a little gem.





My concerns about its crash safety compared to more modern cars that are now available motivated me to this move.



Posted by: OHirtenfelder Oct 10 2011, 09:03 AM

But it's a 106 GTi. That's a truly special car. Turn it into a track car at least. Don't let it die a slow miserable death in the hands of another someone...

Posted by: Razor Oct 10 2011, 09:25 AM

QUOTE(OHirtenfelder @ Oct 10 2011, 01:03 PM) *
But it's a 106 GTi. That's a truly special car. Turn it into a track car at least. Don't let it die a slow miserable death in the hands of another someone...


Exactly. DO YOU WANT THIS, SPEEDY?


Posted by: speedyK Oct 10 2011, 01:29 PM

Got it! cool.gif

My drive home was a little over 100 km, but mainly motorway. But I had been able to assess the car on country roads on my test drive before buying.

It coped with motorway speeds well. Plenty of feel through the wheel and surprisingly punchy in 6th gear – I had to check a couple of times early on that I really wasn't in 4th laugh.gif

The suspension is very tied down. More so than the 997 is standard mode, but not quite as "dry" as the 997 with the dampers in "sport" mode (which is a bit much on rough-surfaced motorways). The ride quality is still acceptable, and the seats offer adequate padding. It would be OK on longer journeys if I wished to use it thus.

I'm even more impressed with it now that I've got it home.

It seems incredible vfm at the price I paid – as long as I don't have any major issues with it, it will be candidate to top the Dodge as my best motoring purchase (for purpose) yet thumbs_up.gif

I'll post up some pics tomorrow.

Looks like I should be able to use the OZ Allegerita HLT wheels I fancy, but not 100% sure yet...

Posted by: Razor Oct 10 2011, 03:33 PM

QUOTE(speedyK @ Oct 10 2011, 06:46 AM) *
The elder daughter is really looking forward to driving it cool.gif

She can accompany me to Hockenheim next year and do the national racing licence course to continue her driving education thumbs_up.gif


I keep a wedding ring handy in my wallet just in case I run into a girl driving a track-prepared supermini.

No, but seriously, awesome that your girls are so into driving. They're lucky to have you as a father. Can't wait to see the car!

Posted by: shandyman5 Oct 10 2011, 04:27 PM

QUOTE(Razor @ Oct 10 2011, 07:33 PM) *
I keep a wedding ring handy in my wallet just in case I run into a girl driving a track-prepared supermini.

No, but seriously, awesome that your girls are so into driving. They're lucky to have you as a father. Can't wait to see the car!


I actually enjoy the time away "with the guys" when I go racing.... It's nice to just have a man weekend.

Also, not sure I could handle the competition from a GF.... lol.

Posted by: DB9 Oct 10 2011, 08:05 PM

speedy, if you don't mind me asking, what is your job?

Posted by: Razor Oct 10 2011, 08:19 PM

QUOTE(DB9 @ Oct 11 2011, 12:05 AM) *
speedy, if you don't mind me asking, what is your job?


I think he minds. We asked him before.

Posted by: shandyman5 Oct 11 2011, 07:34 AM

QUOTE(DB9 @ Oct 11 2011, 12:05 AM) *
speedy, if you don't mind me asking, what is your job?


Welfare is really good over there. Raspberry.gif

Posted by: DB9 Oct 11 2011, 07:40 AM

I mean it seemed like an obvious question, but I couldn't remember if we had asked him before or if he had answered before.

Posted by: shandyman5 Oct 11 2011, 11:20 AM

QUOTE(DB9 @ Oct 11 2011, 11:40 AM) *
I mean it seemed like an obvious question, but I couldn't remember if we had asked him before or if he had answered before.


Ya I don't see the issue with a vague job description, as long as it doesn't reveal a company name or title.

Posted by: speedyK Oct 11 2011, 01:00 PM

I've ordered the OZ Allegerita HLT wheels* cool.gif

Washed the car and gave it a lick of Autoglymn, then took some pics.




















































Unbelievably gutsy engine – I just love it! thumbs_up.gif cool.gif cool.gif cool.gif

Clio RS Cup chassis with H&R sports springs that lower and tighten it down even more. 20 mm spacers too.

The stock Cup rims 7.5 x 17 which have been kerbed will come off as soon as the OZs (8 x 17) get here. The summer tyres (215/40/17 Conti 3s) will go on the OZs while the stock rims are refurbished and new Conti Contact winter tyres fitted (205/45/17, as recommended for winter by Renault for the Clio RS).

It's a beaut! 9k miles and almost fully loaded (no rear radar, no track timer (AFAIK) and no rear roof spoiler) but Cup chassis, climate control, Recaros, iPod & bluetooth connection, wider air openings with rear diffuser and mirrors in anthracite, Keyless drive and fully adjustable steering wheel, Liquid Yellow pearlescent paint, Isofix, floormats. All for 54% of what I was about to pay for a new one.

The german tester who said that if Porsche built a hot hatch, it would turn out like the Clio RS Cup was pretty spot on, I reckon. It's a truly fantastic car – mmmh that engine revving up to 7.5k, that super keen steering and those Brembo brakes! They've already saved one suicidal cat today – ran straight out in front of me without any warning. Stopped on a sixpence thumbs_up.gif

That Liquid Yellow paint is gorgeous – so suits the car's joyous nature. The french say joie de vivre; the germans say Lebensfreude. I say I'm made up biggrin.gif thumbs_up.gif

People are now saying, "But you're not going to get rid of the Peugeot? It's such a special little car!"
I could argue that my collection includes a 60's design, a 70's design and an (early) 80's design, so there are grounds to keep a 90's design as a classic now and just run the new millenium cars regularly...



But then I need more garaging. Already proposed another garage (with a decent-sized workshop) – with an integrated covered garden seating area to tempt SWMBO... we shall see...


I earn my money by hard, honest work as a professional. I have 4 university quallifications, including a doctorate and am self-employed. I have always been a petrolhead. Spent all my money to buy this as a schoolkid and had to sell it because I couldn't afford the insurance (they wanted about 4 times as much for the premium as I had paid for the car!):


As a university student, I lived very frugally in the first year and got holiday jobs in order to buy this:


Which was replaced – after more holiday jobs – for the last year of my first degree course by this:


Which I still own – altough it has since been restored and returned to its original red.

After I obtained a professional qualification and actually earned money, I spent it on cars biggrin.gif

I told my bank manager I needed a loan for "just a reliable, new little Fiat" – he didn't ask further cool.gif and I bought my first new car:


You can work out that I am therefore rather older than most of you wink.gif I kept working hard. If you apply yourself to your chosen career, then slowly but surely your disposable income should improve thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: b0mb3r Oct 11 2011, 04:35 PM

I love that color! It's so vibrant! smile.gif congrads man!

Posted by: 911xx Oct 11 2011, 05:03 PM

I love the yellow car. I don't know about it. Is it rwd or fwd? What kind of engine!?

Posted by: speedyK Oct 12 2011, 01:41 AM

911xx, here's a review by the UK car mag, Evo, of their long term Clio. It should answer your questions:

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evolongtermtests/259216/renaultsport_clio_200_cup.html

Posted by: Synesthesia Oct 13 2011, 11:44 AM

Nice work Speedy, it looks good. I like the color as well. I agree with the idea of keeping the 106 around (if you've got the space, why not! wink.gif). Though, how does the insurance work out? Insuring 8 cars seems like a pain...

Posted by: speedyK Oct 13 2011, 12:19 PM

The rest of the family have to try the Clio RS to see wht they think. If all are happy, then the Piug could go.

Here in Switzerland, we can run 2 modern (i.e. less than 30 year old) cars on one registration number – the plates are swapped over to drive one or the other.

I haver the 997 and Durango on one number, the Smart Brabus Roadster-Coupι and Matra Murena on another and the Pug 106 GTI and Clio RS on another. The MMGC and Beta Spider are not currently on the road.

BUT, cars 30+ years old can have a test to obtain "Veteran" status – they have to be in good condition and not have any inappropriate modifications. It is then possible to run (depending on which licensing authority is responsible) up to 12 cars on the same number. The Lancia and MG already qualify on age – and the Matra will next year, so I could have those 3 all on one number and have the perhaps the Smart and Pug share a number, while the women of the household use the tough Clio.

But I have a feeling that when they've got used to the Clio, they won't miss the Pug that much...

Posted by: speedyK Oct 13 2011, 01:49 PM

Check out how the Clio RS affects this initially quite sober car tester by the end of the drive thumbs_up.gif




Posted by: speedyK Nov 10 2011, 06:30 AM

Got the Clio RS back with the newly de-kerbed RS rims with new winter tyres (Contis) in its stock RS anthracite coulour


and collected the OZ Alleggeritas (in stock titanium) with the summer Contis too. This was the first time that I could really look at them


OMG, they are so light and gorgeous. Pity that I have to put them away until spring now sad.gif

Look at all that nothingness! thumbs_up.gif thumbs_up.gif thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: shandyman5 Nov 10 2011, 09:10 AM

QUOTE(speedyK @ Nov 10 2011, 09:30 AM) *
Got the Clio RS back with the newly de-kerbed RS rims with new winter tyres (Contis) in its stock RS anthracite coulour


and collected the OZ Alleggeritas (in stock titanium) with the summer Contis too. This was the first time that I could really look at them


OMG, they are so light and gorgeous. Pity that I have to put them away until spring now sad.gif

Look at all that nothingness! thumbs_up.gif thumbs_up.gif thumbs_up.gif


Car looks awesome! Like th eyellow much more than the green. I will be honest though, those OEM wheels look so good I would have kept them for summer duty and gotten either crappy wheels with winter tires or got another set of OEM's for winter.

Posted by: 350Z Nov 11 2011, 12:35 AM

I Love the liquid yellow for Renaults and this one is no exception! Looks amazing and I know they are fantastic to drive, I was quite supprised to read that you didn't really like the Megane. I had one of them for a couple of days and I thought it was great.

Posted by: speedyK Nov 11 2011, 02:12 PM

350Z, I'd heard so much positive about the Mιgane RS. In fact, my ex-assistent, who now has a 997 GT3 RS as his track toy, runs one as a daily driver and recommended it to me if I really wanted 5 seats.

In fact, I told myself that if it was really that much fun and a practical 5-seater hatch, then I could perhaps even replace the Porsche with this...
However, it is simply too big – mainly too wide – for the women drivers in the household to feel that happy with. And I must admit that I prefer narrow cars too – as long as I don't have to sacrifice too much else – in Switzerland, with the narrowness of the roads and amount of obstructions, narrow is always good.

But it was the feel that didn't convince me. Not the feel iof the steering, which was fine, not the traction which was better than the Clio in hairpins due to its trick diff. It was the engine that didn't really do it for me. The turbo character is simply not as rewarding as the normally aspirated Clio which feels as if wants to scream to the rev limiter and doesn't run out of revs as quickly as the turbo'd Mιgane in which I always felt that there should be another 1,500 rpm available to wring it out. And the quality of the interior is not in the same league as Porsche. It simply didn't really come into question as a 997 replacement.

This is the Trophy (265 bhp) that I tried






My women liked the 5 seat aspect, but not the bad visibilty


My wife finally got her first drive of the Clio after we collected it from having its winter tyres put on the repaired stock rims. She was amazed by the brakes – so powerful! She seems to like it biggrin.gif


She also conceded that it is probably a good move to replace her much-loved 106 GTI with this. I drove the 106 GTI yesterday and it is so much more compact thumbs_up.gif
(and unsafe thumbs_down.gif ).
It really is so sweet though: the perfect steering, the superb gearchange, the way the engine is so well matched to the gearbox and is happy sweep around the rev band. The supple suspension, the fanastic handling. If it were'nt for the fact that there is always a risk of accident due to other road users, I would still want to keep it. But I would feel awful if, being aware of these risks and the far safer modern alternative, I let my women continue to drive it and they came to harm.

So I'm trying to be rational and make the move to sell it, though of course, my heart says no...


As a small consolation, I do have it still in GT5


which I also use to re-live some of my other ex cars






Still really miffed that GT5 does not have an Exige S2 and that you can't supercharge the Elise 111R, but this is near enough... I suppose


Edit to say that I've just been out in the Pug again. It's so light, and so lively because of that. Not just in a straight line, but also to steering input – and doesn't need huge rubber to grip well. I still love it.

Posted by: OHirtenfelder Nov 11 2011, 11:03 PM

Don't sell it. Don't sell it. Don't sell it. cool.gif

Posted by: 350Z Nov 12 2011, 04:08 AM

Fair enough speedy, I actually loved the engine but I am quite used to turbos and from memory nearly all of your collection is N/A, I do agree about interior quality which is why I didn't go with one in the end. Apparently if you do want one then the one to go for is the non cup car with the cup chassis.

Posted by: speedyK Nov 12 2011, 09:42 AM

350Z, I really liked my 300ZX Twin Turbo and the way its smooth V6 swooped up the rev range (though it was not quite as excitingly frenetic as a zesty, normally aspirated car) and my Smart Brabus Xclusive Roadster-Coupι has a very plucky little 698cc turbocharged engine that I love.

But you can't beat normally aspirated for that immediacy that is part of a really vital car, IMO.

Of course, it depends what you want the car for, but driving enjoyment does depend on the man-machine interface. I love the flappy paddle change on the Smart, but hate the detachment that it causes. Similarly on the GT-R, it works really well, but you are one step removed. I also tried a 997 Turbo with PDK on snow and preferred the control that my normally aspirated 4S offers.

Looking to the future*, it seems that twin clutch and turbo is more and more going to be standard fare. I took Evo magazine's mesage that they have issued several times to heart – namely that, if you want a great n/a hot hatch, the Clio RS is the last of the breed, so get one while you still can.



* Look at McLaren – their car has twin clutch and twin turbos. I think I'd take the F458 with its normally aspirated engine in preference. But, if anyone's giving a Macca away, I'm still happy to accept it biggrin.gif thumbs_up.gif

I'll have to make do with one at 1:18 for the time being


though I'd really like the Spyder cool.gif


and an FF as a "practical" car biggrin.gif

Latest news:
My wife says that I should keep the 106 GTI...



and get rid of the...




Matra! (At least, for once, she didn't say the Porsche! laugh.gif ).

Posted by: Altostratus Nov 12 2011, 12:03 PM

why not just keep the pug as a track hatch?

you can use the durango to tow it, its cheaper to crash than the new clio, and you probably dont need to insure/plate it for track use?


Posted by: moe Nov 14 2011, 12:21 AM

Congrats Speedy! I now actually have two friends that have exactly the same car, but in a different color. They both got theirs in black with black wheels. They would've preferred different colors, but one would've had to wait more time than he had, and the other because he wasn't willing to pay the extra $1000+ over the silver or black paint. They are brilliant cars, and honestly completely destroy my Peugeot in every possible way (though I maintain my car looks better and has a better shifter).

Posted by: speedyK Dec 18 2011, 05:10 PM

I never got around to posting some good pics of my Matra.

Here are some from September.

















I still think it looks amazingly neat despite its 30 years.

Posted by: Altostratus Dec 23 2011, 10:51 AM

she looks great!

she's begging for a paint resto.... and you seem like you could afford a good swissvax'ing whistle.gif

Posted by: speedyK Dec 23 2011, 03:46 PM

You're right. It really needs a full re-spray

The only problem is that getting a good job done is very expensive.

Put it this way, after an accident with my first Matra, where the insurance company paid for the damage repair, I took the opportunity to have not just the damaged front half re-sprayed, but the whole car done to a better-than-new specification. In 1986, just getting the other half of the car done (when they were doing the front anyway) cost me CHF2,500.00. The total re-spray costs were about CHF8k... in 1986!

A really good re-spray would cost as much as the purchase price of my current Matra and would add almost nothing to its value. I'd love to, as I like my cars to be perfect – but I can't justify it. I've plenty of other things that are more worthwhile to spend such sums on first.

I have treated it to a set of custom interior mats though thumbs_up.gif
It's currently hibernating with the MGC and Lancia, but I'll take some pics in Spring


It is definitely 4x4 weather here at the moment!

Posted by: Bjorn Dec 23 2011, 10:20 PM

^I'm jealous. We're about to have the first brown christmas anyone around here can remember . . . and no snow on the horizon as far as you can look into January.

No skiing, no skijoring no snowshoeing . . . no scandinavian flicking.

Posted by: speedyK Dec 24 2011, 08:03 AM

My Clio RS now has a registration plate in a more suitable format (we can have 50 x 11 cm or 35 x 16 cm for rear plates).

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Posted by: The Unibomber Dec 24 2011, 10:18 AM

For a while I just thought you were really excited about a car you bought in GT lol

Posted by: 911xx Dec 25 2011, 11:30 AM

Snowing a lot here in Montreal! Best wishes.

Posted by: Altostratus Dec 26 2011, 07:09 PM

im sure you could find a detailer who could do a 2 stage and perma-seal like opti-coat for less.



Posted by: shandyman5 Dec 26 2011, 08:17 PM

No snow here for the foreseeable future here as well. All of the ski resorts have NO snow, it's very discouraging.

Speedy, my friend who lives in Lustenau told me she had quite the white Christmas.. I am very jealous.

Posted by: speedyK Dec 30 2011, 01:12 PM

The whiteness continues... biggrin.gif

Ice & Snow Driver Training

My daughter and I set out yesterday morning for the winter version of the driving course that I did with her in September in dry conditions.

As we climbed into the mountains in the dark of the early morning, with me leading in the 997 4S and her following in the Renaultsport Clio 200, the snow came down thicker and thicker. I knew that, given the gradients involved, the Clio would not have much in reserve – despite its new Conti winter tyres. I had packed a set of emergency grips for the front wheels just in case. But my main worry was her keeping it on the road, as there were some nasty cambers and even nastier places where you could seriously fall off the road.

I drove at a pace that should allow her some reserve. Just to check the veracity of my assessment of the level of grip I did deliberately push it more in one place and was immediately rewarded with loss of traction. Dab of oppo job. The grip limit was as low as I had thought.

When we (safely) arrived, I asked her if she realised that I was going slowly because the grip was low. She said she had wondered at first, but assumed I knew what I was doing. I asked her if she'd noticed me get a bit sideways – she hadn't. She asked me if I'd seen her lose it slightly too – I hadn't, but it had confirmed for her too that grip was low and explained my reserved rate of progress.

With sub-zero temperature and fresh snow over the ice, conditions were ideal for our course. After theory instruction on winter driving at a hotel, with most welcome coffee and croissants, we headed out to the airfield.


In our group, almost all the cars were 4wd. The Clio, a Fiat and a Pug coupι were the outsiders.


Our first exercise was "vehicle dynamics" – driving around a circle, then an oval, then (most fun) a figure of 8.

Here's my daughter in action



The snow stopped and the weather began to brighten.


Next on the programme was "cornering". Due to the massive snow fall, the airfield staff had not been able to clear the second big area normally used for this exercise. An alternative was found. It was a route around a nearby quarry – with all manner of machinery and hard things to hit! oh.gif



The guy driving this 4wd Cadillac was able to keep going everywhere, despite its size and weight.


In contrast, his daughter in the little Suzuki 4wd behind spun it at the same place at least three times. It was a corner that "fell away" – we were warned that someone in a BMW had hit a post here yesterday during the same exercise. Unless you really hooked in to the track on the extreme inside of the corner, you fell off – as I found in the Porker too. Luckily there was an escape road – reversing down that and then, with a couple of helping hands, taking a run up the hill back onto the polished ice track, saw me underway once more. Quite a few people fell off here tongue.gif

Back to the airfield for slalom practice shortly before mid-day. Note the sun in the photo below. Due to the mountains all around, there is no direct sun onto this airfield until February!




An RS4 driver enjoying himself


After a good lunch, we recommenced with braking exercises. As we had been advised in the theory section, braking distances in winter conditions can be 10 (TEN) times longer than in dry summer conditions.

As in the course that my daughter did in the Pug, first there were standard emergency stops from various speeds, then stops where an obstacle had to be avoided. At 42 km/h I had no problems to avoid and stop. At 54 km/h, I was absolutely at the limit – couldn't get up any more speed on the run up – and just missed the last set of cones.

Here my daughter does a run at 50km/h for the obstacle avoidance exercise:




Then came the best part – blasting around a marked out course on the airfield – the surface was rock-solid ice with snow on top.



Here's a reasonably clean run from me. There were others that were not so clean! tongue.gif
Pity I couldn't mount the GoPro to show my hands – that would have made it clearer how often the car is travelling sideways.




View of the river from the bridge to the airfield



Grabs from the GoPro which I left switched on on our way back






My daughter now has a much better idea of where the car's limits lie – and realises that staying further back from the car in front is very advisable in winter. As she's taken the Clio up into the mountains today to celebrate New Year with a bunch of friends in a chalet, this training came just in time thumbs_up.gif



Hope to post a couple more clips in the next few days.

Posted by: speedyK Dec 31 2011, 09:44 AM

Here's where I pushed too hard – as did some others biggrin.gif

It was really slippy with the ice under the snow.




For contrast - and especially for those interested to see what winter driving on a swiss road looks like, I've uploaded a clip of our departure from the Ice & Snow event. Daughter was in tow with the Clio RS.

All speed limits, solid lines, no overtaking signs and people who never get near the speed limit

Try watching it at 720p and fullscreen and just relax and watch the winter landscape... smile.gif


Posted by: speedyK Jan 2 2012, 04:46 AM

Here's a clip filmed by my daughter of me doing the figure of 8s.

It looks slooooww, but is at the limit

Best viewed full screen to actually see something (filmed through the Clio's windscreen – can't blame her, it wasn't so nice outside)

Posted by: b0mb3r Jan 4 2012, 06:19 PM

thank you for posting the videos smile.gif I am glad that our winters do not get that extreme smile.gif Although it is finally starting to get cold around here. This morning it was -9 (Celsius

Is the ice and snow driver training something mandatory or is it something that you do for fun?

Posted by: speedyK Jan 5 2012, 06:56 AM

No, it's not mandatory*, but IMO it should be!

In fact, with ever more cars on the road, the poor level of driver skill seems to be the most critical factor in accidents. However, it is far easier to blame "speed" and continually lower the limits rolleyes.gif ...

with the bonus that inappropriate radar traps can be ever-more profitable die.gif

I do it to remind myself of the car's limits in such conditions – and it was particularly important to me that my daughter learned about the Clio's limits. Of course, we both had fun finding those limits biggrin.gif


*In Switzerland, after passing the driving test, there are two further training courses that have to be completed within three years – otherwise you fofeit your licence and have to start all over again!

The first course is some very basic car control stuff (which should be part of the basic training, IMO. Thesecond is a complete waste of time – driving around as "economically " as possible and being given tips afterwards by the "expert" who has accompanied you rolleyes.gif A sad reflection on the priorities set by those in charge.

Posted by: 350Z Jan 6 2012, 02:20 AM

I'm actually something of a fan of seeing how economically a car can be driven but economical ice/snow driving? That does seem like a waste of time.

Posted by: speedyK Jan 6 2012, 03:54 AM

QUOTE(350Z @ Jan 6 2012, 11:20 AM) *
economical ice/snow driving? That does seem like a waste of time.

biggrin.gif I think you've misunderstood. The Ice & Snow training was NOT mandatory – it was a course organised by the Automobile Club of Switzerland (ACS), was done because we wanted to and had no emphasis on economy.

The two mandatory state courses are not done on snow & ice thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: 350Z Jan 6 2012, 10:34 AM

Ah ok I can understand the economy part of the training then and im all for it to be honest.

Posted by: Aircooled Jan 8 2012, 10:27 AM

Totally wish winters didn't suck so much. Back in the 90s we used to get fairly decent snowfalls....

Posted by: speedyK Apr 11 2012, 01:59 AM

We had lovely spring weather here yesterday, so I took the chance to do my standard "dandelion" shots cool.gif

First, the Clio RS in the afternoon sun










The weather forecast is not good for the next few days, so I got some shots of the Matra too in the evening sun. Not quite as bright...

New floormats











Posted by: Synesthesia Apr 11 2012, 04:54 AM

The seats in the Matra look like sofas. biggrin.gif

Posted by: speedyK Apr 11 2012, 09:31 AM

Yeah, the french take on luxury was buttoned velour in the 2.2 litre version of the Murena.

The 1.6 litre had a houndstooth pattern – like sitting on a jacket biggrin.gif

Posted by: OHirtenfelder Apr 11 2012, 10:39 PM

I'm so jealous of you Speedy. You live in such a beautiful place! And you have so many awesome cars, too biggrin.gif

Posted by: speedyK Apr 16 2012, 03:13 PM

I know that I am rather lucky biggrin.gif


Posted by: shandyman5 Apr 16 2012, 04:56 PM

QUOTE(speedyK @ Apr 16 2012, 07:13 PM) *
I know that I am rather lucky biggrin.gif



Great picture speedy! By the way, I have to PM you again soon in response to your last message a few months ago, time is getting close for me to head over there!

I am trying to work on an evening picture in my garage where it looks like a dark cave setting and all you see are the LED's and fog lights of the Porsche and new Mustang... A sort of tiger in the cave, prowl type pose.

Posted by: speedyK Apr 17 2012, 01:20 AM

QUOTE(shandyman5 @ Apr 17 2012, 02:56 AM) *
A sort of tiger in the cave, prowl type pose.

Sounds cool. I was aiming for something like that with this shot, but didn't have the idea of a night shot.


But I love night shots too

Posted by: speedyK Apr 22 2012, 09:05 AM

Yesterday, I change the Smart over to its summer tyres, then took off the hardtop and stored it away.




And, as the weather was nice, I treated myself to a little drive with the electric soft top retracted. Bliss! cool.gif












It's such a delight to drive this little car – there is no other car that gives me more pleasure under normal, flitting-about road conditions. If it got written-off, I'd go straight out and buy the best Brabus Xclusive I could find, as there is still nothing else that could replace it.

Posted by: OHirtenfelder Apr 22 2012, 10:17 PM

Awesome! Looks like fun.

Posted by: 350Z Apr 22 2012, 11:59 PM

Did you have the roof leak issue on the smart?

Posted by: speedyK Apr 23 2012, 01:48 AM

No serious leaks – just the odd dribble down the inside of the window if I jet-wash it. Certainly no worse than on other European targas I've owned (Triumph TR4A IRS Surrey Top, Fiat X1/9 1500, Lancia Beta Spider, Opel Speedster, Lotus Exige) – but none were bad. The only absolutely 100% water-tight one was the Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo 2+2 – no surprises there then!


But the Smart system is superb, allowing opening or closing even at three-figure speeds thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: 350Z Apr 23 2012, 07:07 AM

Good to hear, I have seen some VERY bad cases of it.

Posted by: speedyK May 21 2012, 02:57 PM

I've now got the OZ Alleggerita HLT rims with new Conti summer tyres on the Clio RS. They are soooo light – a whole armful of nothingness when you lift one up biggrin.gif



Posted by: clarkma5 May 21 2012, 07:03 PM

Very nice but I gotta admit I'm pretty disappointed with Continentals at this point. They're lightweight but they're soft in the sidewall and don't seem to have compounds that stand up to the heat of really heavy driving or track work. For ages and ages I've said that with tires it's more about comparing models than brands, but the farther along I get the more I'm just impressed with how Michelin makes tires.

Posted by: speedyK May 22 2012, 03:00 AM

I chose Conti because they did best in the tests – but I've heard people complain about soft sidewalls on Contis before – particular in relation to the Matra Murena (which uses 60-series tyres and the choice is limited).

If they brake better in the dry and wet and don't aquaplane so readily compared to other tyres, then I can probably live with them if they are a little soft.

Posted by: clarkma5 May 22 2012, 06:31 AM

I've also been disappointed with the aquaplaning of my Contis compared to my Michelins...wet grip is fine if there isn't standing water but I'll swear my Continental ContiExtremeContact DWs get squirrelly with full tread where my Michelin Pilot Exalto PE2s on the wear bars would glide serenely through.

Those are ContiSportContact 3s I take it?

Posted by: speedyK May 22 2012, 09:21 AM

Yep, ContiSportContact 3

http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/uk/en/continental/automobile/themes/car-tyres/standard-car-tyres/contisportcontact/contisportcontact-3/contisportcontact-3,tabNr=2.html

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Continental/Sport-Contact-3.htm

Apparently, the ContiSport Contact 5 is not so good:

Rounding out the top 6 is the Continental Sport Contact 5. This result will disappoint Continental, as the Sport Contact 3 was nearly exclusively a test winner

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2012-Auto-Bild-Max-Performance-Tyre-Test.htm

I have used Michelin, Pirelli, Dunlop, Bridgestone and Yokohama as well as Continental (summer and winter tyres). I tend to go with what the latest tests say about the size I want – and that changes each year, though Conti have been on a run the last few years. Looks like that might be coming to an end...

Posted by: speedyK Jun 30 2012, 03:21 PM

My car fleet is going to go up from 8 to 9 soon – though a couple are due to be sold (I've only got garaging for 7).

It was the right time to buy this new one. – for various reasons.

I'm not saying what it is yet (but you won't like it anyway). My family were all for it though and are pleasesd that I'm buying a white one.

In case you think it's a Fiat 500 or similar, perhaps I should say that it has 20" rims and all mod cons – including 4wd.

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Posted by: Bjorn Jun 30 2012, 04:53 PM

PDK 991 C4s?

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