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post May 30 2010, 09:09 PM
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Hi DS'ers,

I have a shoot this weekend with a Black Superleggara (with Aftermarket rims lol)

Doing some location scouting, I am finding it hard to find a place that suits the vehicle, the lambo is raw, angular and aggressive so a background to match is suitably difficult to find. I am resorting the the Keep it simple notion that a simple background with repeating patterns might be the go as not to distract from the car too much.

That brings me to my next dillema, how to make the car stand out!

The shoot will be at night and lit with a fluoro ballast, the background I have found is rather dark and moody. My biggest fear is losing the car into the background and the shoot not been what it could of been.

I have thought of rim lighting the car, and also a High Key look but the location would need to be light and open in the first place would it not?

If anyone has any inspiring dark cars and dark background images available that I can disect in my head that would be great, as well as any other sort of wisdom.

Cheers.
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post Jun 1 2010, 02:59 AM
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Hi CHris.

I think you're asking for trouble trying to shoot it against a dark background but it ceratinly could look fantastic too if you're happy to put in the PS time. If you want to rim light them as well then chances are you'll have the light in the shot and then of course you'll have to PS it all together. You know the drill anyway. I tend to just lightpaint cars just from the front and side (ie, no Photoshop needed at all) so I need the background to work for me, not against me.

I've found that most times, depending of course on the location itself, the background lighting has done a fine job of rim lighting or separating the car from the background. I would prefer a background that was essentially lighter than the car to ensure that the car stood out.

The biggest tip I can give you is to probably test the location and see if it will do what you want. It might seem like a bit of trouble but it's probably worth it, at least in my experience it certainly has been.

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post Jun 1 2010, 03:31 AM
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Thanks John,

Since posting the first message I have found a much better background, it's inherently much lighter and very technical/modern so hopefully works well.

The spot has fluoro's iteself, and the light is relatively white and colour cast free so I will use that light to rim the car a bit as you suggested.

It will also work well with the rigs, as you know rolling underneath fluoro's give fantastic striplighting.

Looking forward to the shoot but very nervous at the same time, not too often exotica like this come up.
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post Jun 3 2010, 05:09 AM
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sounds like you got a pretty good idea of what you are gonna do... it helps to have a plan but don't get caught up in it. Roll with it... you might not get exactly what you had in mind but it does help.


I have not done any car photography for a while.. but i did this a while back.. black car at night:




hopefully those serve as a bit of what do to.. what not to do for you.

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post Jun 3 2010, 06:19 AM
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Blue Devil has much better samples of what you can do with a black car at night.

Here's a couple more. Same principle, just different. I like to go for pure highlights & not worry about details in the black... its also the easiest & cheap-ass way of doing it. tongue.gif

Looking back at these (all shot over a year ago) I think they pretty shitty & would shoot a black car at night totally differently these days. But hey, you asked for samples, this is what I got...







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post Jun 3 2010, 07:03 PM
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Thanks guys appreciate the responses. Both of those shoots I definately remember and were both well executed, If I get something as good as those I'll be very happy.

I think I shoot best when I have an idea in my mind of what the image will look like as the end product instilled into my head, that way I can break it down into what needs to be done and not have to worry about the "what if" factor.

But then again, some of my best work has been just from "going with the flow" and seeing what happens smile.gif

The lighting you got on the Audi Seagram is exactly like i'm after, small sharp highlights that accentuate the shape of the car, I think with the Lambo it will further emphasise the aggressive shape.

I've never done High Key, so this will be a first for me. Will see how it turns out.

Once again, thanks for all the advice/images, was a great help.

Chris.
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post Jun 3 2010, 10:04 PM
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Hey Chris, good luck with it - always a special moment to shoot a Lambo, such dramatic cars!

LP570-4 or the original Superleggera?
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post Jun 3 2010, 10:28 PM
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I'm actually not sure, I know it's a Superleggera but thats about it.
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post Jun 3 2010, 11:03 PM
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If you're wanting small strip lights, then keep your light source small.
If you're using a torch/softbox/whatever, modify it with a gobo so you end up with a small light source (if it isn't already).
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post Jun 4 2010, 01:59 AM
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I use this mate, powered by a 2 stroke Generator.

The barn doors mean I can focus the light really narrow, or shut off half the ballast for half power/narrower beam.

http://www.coollights.biz/cl455p-cool-ligh...light-p-67.html



Thanks for the tip smile.gif
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post Jun 4 2010, 02:32 AM
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^^ damn thats a lot of light wattage you got on that thing! Probably more than you'll ever need.

Shooting at f11 or f12, 30sec exposure, I find my 30W flouro too bright sometimes! You got 220W going there! For model photography however, that puppy must be awesome! Looks better built than the kinoflos.
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post Jun 4 2010, 03:15 AM
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yeah it's crazy power! and the light is perfectly nuetral. I love it.

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post Jun 4 2010, 07:16 AM
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Sometimes its better to shoot long exposures with f16 and up, because the sharpness will create to much aliasing on higher aperture.
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post Jun 8 2010, 08:11 AM
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QUOTE(brasher @ Jun 4 2010, 05:59 AM) *
I use this mate, powered by a 2 stroke Generator.

The barn doors mean I can focus the light really narrow, or shut off half the ballast for half power/narrower beam.

http://www.coollights.biz/cl455p-cool-ligh...light-p-67.html



Thanks for the tip smile.gif



how heavy is that bad boy? smile.gif firedevil.gif
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post Jun 8 2010, 08:14 AM
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QUOTE(brasher @ Jun 3 2010, 11:03 PM) *
The lighting you got on the Audi Seagram is exactly like i'm after, small sharp highlights that accentuate the shape of the car, I think with the Lambo it will further emphasise the aggressive shape.




wink.gif

Seagram already answered how to get it done. smile.gif




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post Jun 8 2010, 08:20 PM
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owner of the cars wife gave birth during the planned day of the shoot, so postponed to this Weekend.

I'm excited but nervous at the same time, has all the ingredients to be an amazing shoot I just have to execute it.
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post Jun 8 2010, 10:24 PM
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QUOTE(brasher @ Jun 9 2010, 06:20 AM) *
owner of the cars wife gave birth during the planned day of the shoot, so postponed to this Weekend.

I'm excited but nervous at the same time, has all the ingredients to be an amazing shoot I just have to execute it.


If you've put in the prep time, you can only be successful. There is no other outcome.
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post Jun 14 2010, 03:51 AM
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All done now, Shoot went really well. It's not often i'm happy with everything on a shoot so it was a rare instance. smile.gif

Took plenty of the advice on here on board, went with a "medium key" look if you know what I mean, some parts blown out and kept the lows/shadows in the interesting parts of the image with some exposure blending and lightpainting.
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post Jun 14 2010, 05:37 AM
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Good stuff. When can we expect to see the pics online?
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post Jun 14 2010, 05:48 AM
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Can't wait to see the pics! I'm super behind on this but I'd like to finally try some light painting myself one of these days...
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